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Thanks for the answer. To be a bit more specific.... If the election was to be held tomorrow, and the nominee was Biden, how would you vote?

In a safe state, maybe not. In a swing state, I would really struggle with it. Perhaps reluctantly.

You probably think this is very petulant and naive of me, but it has nothing to do with Sanders.

I would struggle with it because I think the decision has consequences which go far beyond 2020. The Democratic Party has not thought beyond the next Presidential election in a long time, and this abdication of strategy has been a disaster. Choosing Biden would represent doubling down on all of the short-sightedness and indifference and incompetence and mindless subservience to hack talking points that has brought them here to begin with. Even if he won, very little would change. Virtually none of Trump's legislation would be repealed. The tax cuts will remain, Health care will still be appalling, carbon emissions will continue as usual, inequality will spiral, and the influence of money in politics will worsen. Corruption will remain every bit as rampant as under Trump - and not because of incompetence but by design. Enabling all of this has been Biden's function throughout his career. It will also further demoralise and demotivate an entire generation of young people away from politics. And it might well kill off for good the desperately needed grassroots and state-level organisation that the Party has neglected for a decade, but which is beginning to recover despite the efforts of those in charge to suppress it.

Given that many here seem to take it as a personal insult whenever I criticise the Democrats or their candidates, I suspect there is limited awareness of just how unpopular the Party actually is. The Democrats are disliked not because everyday Americans are brainwashed deplorable chuds clinging to guns and religion, but because most Americans actually have a far better understand of the Party's limitations and failures than its core supporters do.

As dangerous as Trump is, we are actually very lucky in a way, because the fascism that has been latent in America for a long time is a gaping own goal, and Trump is mostly too lazy to kick the ball over the line. The Democrats in their current form would have been utterly powerless to prevent this. I don't think we'll be so lucky the next time. A Biden victory in 2020 would be winning the battle and losing the war. The medium term effects could well be fatal. The Party needs to change dramatically if it is going to survive - but the whole point of someone like Biden is to prevent that from ever happening.

Sadly, given the power of wealthy donors and corporate money over the Party, and the relentless greed, careerism and malice of those who run it, nothing will change so long as those who want better have nowhere else to go. Not turning out is the only way that someone like me (were I American) has being heard.

I don't even dislike Biden personally - I mean, he's outrageously corrupt and has devoted his life to making the country and the planet significantly worse but they're pretty much all like that. I almost feel sorry for him, because he is so clearly out of his depth at this point, and he should really just be retired and resting at home.

I'll add a second question... this one just out of my own curiosity... Do you actually listen to Pod Save America?

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Not since 2015, though hopefully they're a bit wiser now
 
The low turnout in Iowa last night should be concerning to everyone.
There doesn't seem to be the swell in numbers that dems and particularly Sanders will depend on.

This is a good point, and not a good sign if the figures are correct, though it is still early and I suspect the dynamic will be very different in the general election.

Similarly, since you mentioned the 2018 midterms, it is also worth noting that these too have a completely different dynamic than a GE - lower turnout, older voters, and a long history of reacting against sitting Presidents. Both Obama and Clinton lost badly in their midterms (which is a problem that a grassroots organisation like Sanders' would work to address) but it obviously didn't affect their viability in Presidential campaigns.

Political genius Jonathan Chait understands this perfectly well, but viscerally dislikes Sanders and is disingenuously seizing on whatever he can find to discredit him.

Firstly, can you blame them for fearing loss of control of their party. Sanders is an independent.

And yet isn't interesting how they are tearing up their own debate rules in order to tip the scales for Michael Bloomberg, an Independent until more or less yesterday and a Republican until 2007, who gave the keynote address fawning over George Bush at the 2004 convention.

Curious how this doesn't seem to be an issue.

of course he could. It's the digital age, the age of populism where people hear what they want to hear and disregard the rest.
Look at HRCs record, it's the record that would have walked the presidency pre internet sensationalism.
The field is not great now but it's far from terrible. Booker, Klobishar, Warren, Harris all popular senators who meet the standards for nomination.
But we live in an age of big promises based on very little, throw in a clever social media campaign and hey presto, an independent who's never really played well with others is top of the heap.

Erm... when it comes to Hillary's record, do you think you might be hearing what you want to hear and disregarding the rest?

I'm not sure that's true, in any case. Maybe among older voters and Democrat hyper-fanboys, who kept talking up Joe Biden despite his inability to string a complete sentence together, but certainly not among young voters and progressives.

Just look at Warren, who went around telling everyone she 'had a plan' but who sank like a stone the minute it became clear that this was just a cringey campaign gimmick.

Young voters are much more informed and discerning than their parents were, but the Democrats still do not understand that political expectations have changed.

Since Clinton, they've become a political service for delivering far-right fiscal policy to corporations and rich donors, selling the masses an overwhelmingly unpopular economic agenda by performing one half of a symbiotic culture war with the other side.

But in an age when an entire generation can no longer afford to get a degree, buy a house, start a family, or even see a doctor, this isn't good enough any more. They will no longer be mollified by half-assed cornball drivel from corporate bots like this the way their parents did:


Four years on, the Party still does not understand Sanders' appeal. They still assume his supporters are washed up hippies and idiot children, and that he's some sort of hipster social media fad, like tide pods (it is amazing - and instructive - how we still never hear in corporate media about his commanding lead among minorities, which will only strengthen now that Biden has been revealed).

They've spent the past four years pretending that the Bernie would go away if they ignored him, and as usual, they've left it until it was far too late to respond.

Yet we're supposed to trust ^these^ geniuses, who've already lost once to Donald F---ing Trump, to get it right the second time by tipping the scales for a man even less likeable than Hillary Clinton so they can run the same strategy - “For every blue-collar Democrat we lose in western Pennsylvania, we will pick up two moderate Republicans in the suburbs in Philadelphia, and you can repeat that in Ohio and Illinois and Wisconsin” - that worked wonders in 2016.
 
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I’m just waking up to news of a disaster in Iowa. Software linked to mayor Pete crashes and him making a speech about winning before the results. Bernie getting the majority but been done by the delegates. Is that nonsense or what seems surreal. Well almost.
 
I’m just waking up to news of a disaster in Iowa. Software linked to mayor Pete crashes and him making a speech about winning before the results. Bernie getting the majority but been done by the delegates. Is that nonsense or what seems surreal. Well almost.

Sanders will probably win. He does better in cities and suburbs, and these take longer to count.
 
I'm not for one minute saying I'd vote for Bloomberg or saying that it's a good idea for him to run as an independent.
Also Sanders seems to be 100% calling on voters to repudiate their previous decisions.
The low turnout in Iowa last night should be concerning to everyone.
There doesn't seem to be the swell in numbers that dems and particularly Sanders will depend on.
That said, I've no idea who can beat Trump and how so I'm just going to vote for the candidate that appeals most to me and hope that she can convince people to vote not for their 401k but for the decency of America.
To be fair, Iowa probably isn’t “in play” in the General. Not sure anyone was expecting a major swell in that state.

Though if there IS a swell in that state, it’s likely to come from the big cities, which (as I understand it)mostly haven’t come in yet?
 
I'd probably remember it better if they didn't insist on such silly names.
At the time Keepin’ it 1600 debuted, it was basically a podcast covering the race for the White House it 2016. 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. is the White House’s address. Also a fairly clever name if you know that detail.
 
At the time Keepin’ it 1600 debuted, it was basically a podcast covering the race for the White House it 2016. 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. is the White House’s address. Also a fairly clever name if you know that detail.

Yes, I am aware.

Sadly however, the name does not meet the rigorous criteria required by the @abelard Gold Standard of Excellence in Clever Podcast Nomenclature (AGSECPN).
 
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