Current Affairs 2017 General Election

[Kendall's Dream]

You can have the Tories or you can have an NHS. But, you can't have both....

Unbelievable isn't it. Still can't grasp why people vote Tory, its like they don't care.

 

[Kendall's Dream]

Ed was left of the previous Labour government (hence the nickname Red Ed) so to get over the Blair and then to a lessor extent Brown administrations, the party shifted left under his direction and when that failed it shifted further left with Corbyn. What do you think is going to happen at the election because of that? The public don't want left light so that must mean they want all out left? No.

One of Ed's parting gifts was to give the ordinary members of the Labour party just as much influence as Labour MPs in choosing a leader. Seeing the base of the party are unionists it's no surprise that a true socialist like Corbyn was elected, the same will probably happen again until the rules are changed again. Here is some details about it:
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/17/labour-leadership-battle-jeremy-corbyn-party-organisation

I think Corbyn was put on the leadership ballot by one MP who decided that they needed to have a discussion regarding all sides of the party, they thought he had zero chance of getting in. (oh how they regret that now) So basically you have the PLP with a leader they don't want. (bar from his trusted friends mcdonnell/abbott and anyone he has bribed with a frontbench job)

So my question would be why would I vote for a party that is divided in such a bitter way? It is impossible for them to govern. Say they got in power, unless Corbyn gives in to the MPs demands (which he won't) within a few months and a few bad defeats for the government a motion for a vote of no confidence will be tabled and we will have another election. This will basically damage the Labour party further and make them unelectable for a generation to come.

So you would rather not vote for Labour, which benefits the Tories, because you don't like the party being divided? Crazy

 

[bullybeef]

I Would prefer a well funded and efficient NHS.

 

[JonS]

Why should we get rid of our deterrent when rockets (no pun intended) like Kim Jong Un are trying to create weapons of their own?

I understand the deterrence argument but nuclear weapons are IMO a collective madness that needs to be backed away from.

So if we keep them then what about Germany Austria, ex soviet countries, other Asian countries, maybe a few African regimes feel they should get them.

What happens then?

 

[Woolly Blue]

I was inclined to agree, but then I saw this:



They actually want to lose. If any one of them had ever had a proper job, they'd surely know that bank holidays come out of most people's holiday entitlements every year, so most won't be better off at all.

Christ, I assumed at first that the tweet was from a wind up account, but it's real ffs.

We have a great Labour constituency MP where I live who's been returned since 1997, but I know a few people who've voted Labour most of their lives who are seriously considering voting Tory this time. I wouldn't be surprised to see our MP lose his seat.

It's frightening how the chattering classes in the party are so divorced from the reality of the situation.

 

[Clint Planet]

http://ilikecorbynbut.com/

 

[hullefc]

If May brought out this bank holiday proposal, she would have been called 'clever' and wouldn't receive any criticism.

You have to remember that it doesn't matter what the Tories propose its always deemed 'clever' by a biased media and political commentators. Even when they break their election pledges and manifesto promises. The latest 'polls' are an attempt to make people believe that the Tories will swoop all before them. Along with the 'Corbyn' is 'uneleectable'. Wasn't so long ago that pollsters were took to task for being rubbish.
However, my poll indicates that there has been no change with Labour on 50% Lib dems 10% Tories 0% undecided 10% and they aree all the same 30%.

 

[The binman chronicles]

So you would rather not vote for Labour, which benefits the Tories, because you don't like the party being divided? Crazy

Is it that black and white? 1. Labour are not going to win 2. They would do a lot of damage to the country in other areas if they did 3. Like i said previously being that divided it wouldn't last long even if by miracle they did get in.

To be fair I want a better NHS, who doesn't, but not at any cost. I have said all along we need a unified Labour party to hold the government accountable. If there is an electable opposition then the incumbents won't have carte blanche to cut in so deep as they know that could sway the public in an election.

We both want the same thing just our methods are different. The short term view will lead to at least another 20 years of tory rule if Labour get in and royally mess it up. The last far left Labour win was in 1974 the country has moved on since then due to the changing face of industry and most of England are Tory voters, can you see the conundrum?

Corbyn should have walked ages ago for the sake of the party.

 

[hullefc]

I don't remember Boris Johnson being taken to task by the Marr's of this world when he proposed ending London's homelessness. Most of the media has never held Johnson to account for the rise in homelessness in London on his watch.

 

[Clint Planet]

"The Prime Minister has refused to explain her party’s tax policy, casting confusion over whether the Tories will keep their pledge not to raise income tax, VAT or national insurance.

Asked three times during a campaign appearance in the Black Country whether she would rule out tax rises, Theresa May would only talk of the Conservatives’ low-tax “instinct”.

The Prime Minister also dodged a question about whether her party would keep a so-called “triple lock” on pensions in place."

 

[hullefc]

Didn't Tory Housing Minister Snapps promise that no 'rough sleeper' would spend a second night on the streets. This was portrayed as a clever idea not like Corbyn's of course.

 

[Billy Dean]

Handy guide to how to vote tactically to beat the Tories

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/19_yf4RL133fBKscvSbID4eRKwztzY9KSI_2BMaI1bU8/pubhtml

 

[peteblue]

You can have the Tories or you can have an NHS. But, you can't have both....

What a silly thing to say.... We have a Tory government now and we have the NHS now.......this little myth of the left carries no weight except in the minds of the left......

 

[Mrk]

Handy guide to how to vote tactically to beat the Tories

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/19_yf4RL133fBKscvSbID4eRKwztzY9KSI_2BMaI1bU8/pubhtml

I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Politics is on its arse.

 

[peteblue]

I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Politics is on its arse.

I'm sure it'll find favour with some of the students and the more rabid Labour voter.......