Current Affairs 2017 General Election

[Gwladysstreetlad]

Lib dem/lab coalition is the way forward..

They wouldn't have enough MP's to even form an effective Minority government. The Lib Dems poultry twelve MP's aren't enough, it would take all the other party's to unite against the Conservatives (never going to happen, a goverment like that could never work and Sinn Fein would never show up!) and even then it would be impossible if the DUP alliance works.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

Lib dem/lab coalition is the way forward..

I doubt it would work long-term anyway. Labour have commited to Brexit, obviously a very different type from the Tory's choice but Brexit nevertheless. The Lib Dems want a second referendum and would be happy to ignore the first completely. Labour would actually be better off letting the Tory's have a crack at running Brexit then slaughtering them if they screw it up, which is far from unlikely.

 

[gonetomorrow]

Corbs is certainly riding high on a populist tide.

When does the backlash begin?

 

[rascal]

Lib dem/lab coalition is the way forward..

I'm not sure if I'll be popular saying this but I've got a lot of time for Ken Clarke and have also been agreeing with Michael Heseltine and John Major recently.

 

[rascal]

I doubt it would work long-term anyway. Labour have commited to Brexit, obviously a very different type from the Tory's choice but Brexit nevertheless. The Lib Dems want a second referendum and would be happy to ignore the first completely. Labour would actually be better off letting the Tory's have a crack at running Brexit then slaughtering them if they screw it up, which is far from unlikely.

The biggest worry however is with the way the country has gone to the dogs under this Tory government, just how much of a country will we have left to put back together again. With the way the tide is turning on Brexit, with the lies of Leave well and truly exposed, with only xenophobes and those with their fingers in their ears pretending everything will be fine backing it, it would make sense I suppose to have another referendum and just put this silly ordeal to bed. I say that as someone who voted Leave by the way, but now realise that I was an utter [Poor language removed] for doing so.

 

[hullefc]

Corbs is certainly riding high on a populist tide.

When does the backlash begin?

They have tried everything since he became an MP in the 1980s. That doesn't mean they will not stop at anything to discredit him. Maybe, a 1920s Daily Mail Zinoviev letter type, that was used to discredit the Labour Party, will appear to show how Corbyn/ McDonnell are really a front for Putin and are behind all the cyber attacks.

In a way sections of the establishment has thrown a lot at him. However, it has been interesting that the CBI and the City of London have been/still are very very quiet about Labour's economic policies. Which may suggest they are looking at Labour as a very credible alternative to the mess economically, socially and politically the Tories are in.

There is nothing like uncertainty to concentrate the minds of the ruling class to try and find a 'solution' to problems. A large section of the country are angry and demanding radical change, hence the vote for Corbyn. Brexit is a mess and they are concerned about what the outcome will be and how it will affect them. They look at the Tories and see what we all see, people completely out of their depth, who don't know their backsides from their elbows. They appear like they can't negotiate their way out of a room, never mind with the EU. The alliance with the DUP makes some very nervous.

I don't doubt there will be an attempt at a backlash. And all this call for a 'national grand coalition' led by the likes of the Blairites around Benn, to deal with Brexit and to bail the Tories out of the brown stuff, is part of trying to keep Corbyn out.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

The biggest worry however is with the way the country has gone to the dogs under this Tory government, just how much of a country will we have left to put back together again. With the way the tide is turning on Brexit, with the lies of Leave well and truly exposed, with only xenophobes and those with their fingers in their ears pretending everything will be fine backing it, it would make sense I suppose to have another referendum and just put this silly ordeal to bed. I say that as someone who voted Leave by the way, but now realise that I was an utter [Poor language removed] for doing so.

I disagree with the idea of a second referendum, It sets a very dangerous precedent and would be an outright assault on democracy. If we made the wrong call we made the wrong call, nobody is pretending that democracy is perfect and can't fail but it still shouldn't be tampered with. I'm open to the idea of a referendum on what type of Brexit we have and I always have been but the original referendum of june 2016 simply cannot be ignored. To do so would do far more long-term damage to this country then Brexit ever could. Brexit is Pandora's box and if it's opened it begs the question of why should our politcal masters ever listen to us again? Why should elections or the will of the people matter, if the people make the "wrong decision". Perhaps I'm over the top but I'd really fear for the future of this nation if politicians felt it was ok to ignore a legitimate vote and a democratic mandate because by doing so they are stealing our rights to vote freely. Make no mistake about this, there are a lot of MP's who would be happy to ignore the people entirely and not even give us the vote at all. We give them this opportunity, we will live to regret it.

 

[orchard]

Looks like the tax-payer's are going to be giving May 2bn to keep her in a job and create more mess for someone else to sort out.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

I disagree with the idea of a second referendum, It sets a very dangerous precedent and would be an outright assault on democracy. If we made the wrong call we made the wrong call, nobody is pretending that democracy is perfect and can't fail but it still shouldn't be tampered with. I'm open to the idea of a referendum on what type of Brexit we have and I always have been but the original referendum of june 2016 simply cannot be ignored. To do so would do far more long-term damage to this country then Brexit ever could. Brexit is Pandora's box and if it's opened it begs the question of why should our politcal masters ever listen to us again? Why should elections or the will of the people matter, if the people make the "wrong decision". Perhaps I'm over the top but I'd really fear for the future of this nation if politicians felt it was ok to ignore a legitimate vote and a democratic mandate because by doing so they are stealing our rights to vote freely. Make no mistake about this, there are a lot of MP's who would be happy to ignore the people entirely and not even give us the vote at all. We give them this opportunity, we will live to regret it.

The idea that a second referendum would somehow be 'an assault on democracy' is absolute nads imo. We have elections every few years, in our democracy and people change their minds on which political direction we should take, that's democracy. If we made the wrong call as you put it, then we should be able to alter that if the political landscape changes.

The idea that democracy was somehow fixed in June 2016 with regards to Brexit is an absolute nonsense.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

The idea that a second referendum would somehow be 'an assault on democracy' is absolute nads imo. We have elections every few years, in our democracy and people change their minds on which political direction we should take, that's democracy. If we made the wrong call as you put it, then we should be able to alter that if the political landscape changes.

The idea that democracy was somehow fixed in June 2016 with regards to Brexit is an absolute nonsense.

It's not the same and you know it. There was opposition to our joining the common market back in 75 yet it was another fourty-one years before we got a say in the matter again. Elections aren't the same as referendums. Should we have a referendum on our EU status every five years then? What would make a second referendum any more legitimate then the first? I think it's safe to say you wouldn't even entertain the idea of a second referendum had the result gone the other way. The people were asked a question and they gave their answer. To ignore that answer and the result is grossly undemocratic.

 

[Blue 1]

Reading £1bn in extra funding for NI is the price for those Orange Lodge bawbags propping Mayhem up.

So, under the Barnett Formula, how much does that mean she's got to find for England, Scotland and Wales?

Seems there's no magic money tree unless you do a deal with the DUP.

 

[Tubey]

Reading £1bn in extra funding for NI is the price for those Orange Lodge bawbags propping Mayhem up.

So, under the Barnett Formula, how much does that mean she's got to find for England, Scotland and Wales?

Seems there's no magic money tree unless you do an deal with the DUP.

Correct.

Unless they bend the rules (which they will), it should mean billions more for the rest of the UK directly.

Don't hold your breath though.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

It's not the same and you know it. There was opposition to our joining the common market back in 75 yet it was another fourty-one years before we got a say in the matter again. Elections aren't the same as referendums. Should we have a referendum on our EU status every five years then? What would make a second referendum any more legitimate then the first? I think it's safe to say you wouldn't even entertain the idea of a second referendum had the result gone the other way. The people were asked a question and they gave their answer. To ignore that answer and the result is grossly undemocratic.

The question of a second referendum was raised by Mr Farage in an interview with the Mirror in which he said: "In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36306681

I'm not advocating a 2nd referendum btw, all I'm saying is that the idea that if one was called and the result reversed the original decision, that would somehow be 'grossly undemocratic' is absolute cobblers.

 

[Bluerover]

Correct.

Unless they bend the rules (which they will), it should mean billions more for the rest of the UK directly.

Don't hold your breath though.

Will this be so unacceptable to Tory MPs that enough will vote against the deal or even take out May altogether before a Westminster vote??

Either way, another GE looks very likely for you UK dwellers!

 

[navidson]

So, are the Tories pumping an additional £1.5m of British taxpayers money into Northern Ireland just to get this deal over the line?