Current Affairs 2017 General Election

[roydo]

pathetic stuff this, trump is far more aligned with the party you voted for

Wasnt comparing their political leanings, more the way both harnessed a previously unharnessed following.

Both from a very low level starting point.

 

[PhilM]

Not particularly funny like, but yet another anti-May cartoon from a right-wing rag (Telegraph).

Keep it up, but appointing a new leader will only add to the cluster-f---, not reset the support.

Believe me, unless there's a miracle change of fortune then May will not be allowed to maintain leader of the party beyond the short-term.

Those in Conservative HQ made the decision during her spectacular fall during the election campaign that their choice for PM lay away from her.

 

[Gouldy]

Believe me, unless there's a miracle change of fortune then May will not be allowed to maintain leader of the party beyond the short-term.

Those in Conservative HQ made the decision during her spectacular fall during the election campaign that their choice for PM lay away from her.

I think she'll remain for the Brexit talks now to ensure some stability

 

[bring the ghost on]

The said same beauts were loving Radiohead last night.

Why does getting behind a political leader who actually speaks for the people rather than the elite few, and enjoying Radiohead, make you a beaut?

 

[Gouldy]

I think it would have been far more appropriate and correct to conflate the momentum of Corbyn with Bernie Sander's movement.

1. Both ran a positive campaign
2. Both ran on a platform of social and economic justice/equality
3. Both voted against intervention in Iraq
4. Both have been arrested for protesting in civil rights campaigns
5. Both draw huge crowds during their rallies
6. Both ran against the political establishments
7. Both are similar in their political leanings and stances
8. Both continue to be popular post-election, allowing them to harness such momentum (with Bernie being rated the most most popular politician today in the US)
9. Both resonate with the millennial crowd, harnessing social media to the fullest extent
10. Both are old white men, with dank memes

 

[PhilM]

I think she'll remain for the Brexit talks now to ensure some stability

That's her only saving grace and it may slightly extend her stay, although there's a serious lack of confidence in her ability so it also may not.

People shouldn't underestimate how the continuing troubles from home could hamper her European negotiations, and the party will see that.

Unless she can stem the ongoing instability then the axe may simple have to fall; won't be an easy decision but it's an option they're considering.

 

[Gouldy]

That's her only saving grace and it may slightly extend her stay, although there's a serious lack of confidence in her ability so it also may not.

People shouldn't underestimate how the continuing troubles from home could hamper her European negotiations, and the party will see that.

Unless she can stem the ongoing instability then the axe may simple have to fall; won't be an easy decision but it's an option they're considering.

Yes I agree - she's going into the talks in a weakened state, with zero mandate, and will have to cooperate with the other parties now. And since the EU have said they won't delay talks, any leadership contest will seriously hamper our national interests in getting a good deal.. which therefore means they'll run a leadership contest (they haven't exactly acted in the national interest previously; a) by allowing for a referendum on the EU, and b) by calling an early snap election to wipe Labour off the map)

 

[Walken]

Wasnt comparing their political leanings, more the way both harnessed a previously unharnessed following.

Both from a very low level starting point.

As you say, sounds like a cheap shot to me in all honesty, and I give our youth more credit than that, they've been energised by a genuine message, not opportunistic popularism, which is more than can be said for a few generations before them

 

[roydo]

As you say, sounds like a cheap shot to me in all honesty, and I give our youth more credit than that, they've been energised by a genuine message, not opportunistic popularism, which is more than can be said for a few generations before them

Honestly, wasnt meant as a cheap shot. Just an observation at how both have jolted the perceived political landscape recently.

 

[PhilM]

As you say, sounds like a cheap shot to me in all honesty, and I give our youth more credit than that, they've been energised by a genuine message, not opportunistic popularism, which is more than can be said for a few generations before them

I agree that there's a growing number of the youth of today who are becoming positively engaged in politics and have a greater understanding.

That's a big positive! However, I also do think it's fair to say that large swathes are in fact merely or primarily swayed by populist thought.

As I said, there's growing engagement, which is great, although on other hand I cringe at the the videos where drunk people are singing songs...

...about Corbyn, May et al. It's become popular to support Corbyn and bemoan May, but how many actually know little more than snippets?

It's difficult really as I don't want to sound as if I'm bemoaning the youth becoming engaged as I'm not; I just worry about the substance of it all.

 

[Walken]

I agree that there's a growing number of the youth of today who are becoming positively engaged in politics and have a greater understanding.

That's a big positive! However, I also do think it's fair to say that large swathes are in fact merely or primarily swayed by populist thought.

As I said, there's growing engagement, which is great, although on other hand I cringe at the the videos where drunk people are singing songs...

...about Corbyn, May et al. It's become popular to support Corbyn and bemoan May, but how many actually know little more than snippets?

It's difficult really as I don't want to sound as if I'm bemoaning the youth becoming engaged as I'm not; I just worry about the substance of it all.

Probably far more knowledgeable than 'older wiser' may supporters, who when asked for a counter argument on Cornyn, simply give you daily mail headlines. It's very easy to sneer at the youth voters, I'm impressed that they are making an effort to understand the argument, despite our disgusting media's best attempts, and again that's more that can be said for a lot of older generations

 

[Gouldy]

I agree that there's a growing number of the youth of today who are becoming positively engaged in politics and have a greater understanding.

That's a big positive! However, I also do think it's fair to say that large swathes are in fact merely or primarily swayed by populist thought.

As I said, there's growing engagement, which is great, although on other hand I cringe at the the videos where drunk people are singing songs...

...about Corbyn, May et al. It's become popular to support Corbyn and bemoan May, but how many actually know little more than snippets?

It's difficult really as I don't want to sound as if I'm bemoaning the youth becoming engaged as I'm not; I just worry about the substance of it all.

I think you'll be surprised.. millennials such as I will use the internet and its vast sources, rather than just the MSM to inform them of their news (I'm not saying the older generation don't either) - I can't tell you the last time I flicked on BBC news to watch. I think as a generation we are more tuned in then giving credit for; however many are I will admit, apathetic to voting for unbeknown reasons.

I think there was growing discontent with the way politics is done. If there's one thing I hate about elections is negative campaigning. I find it distasteful and ultimately not what political campaigns nor politics should be about. Give me a positive reason to vote for someone; not the 'I'm not [insert opposition's name] ergo vote for me message' (see Hillary Clinton's 2016 campaign).

I think there was also increasing discontent with not having a truly alternative opposition; the last few Labour leaders have simply been Tory-lite, and that would have continued had Eagle or Smith won leadership over Corbyn. Corbyn here distanced himself from that, attempting to turn Labour into an effective leftwing party, rather than the centre-left we'd become accustomed to under Blair et al.

And isn't it nice to see just a humble, principled and generally honest politician, who actually cares about the working classes?

In this election, Corbyn gave me and millions of others a positive campaign and a positive message and manifesto to vote for. May did not do that; instead she castigated that things will be worse under a coalition of chaos, rather than actually giving me a valid positive reason to vote for her.

 

[Gouldy]

Probably far more knowledgeable than 'older wiser' may supporters, who when asked for a counter argument on Cornyn, simply give you daily mail headlines. It's very easy to sneer at the youth voters, I'm impressed that they are making an effort to understand the argument, despite our disgusting media's best attempts, and again that's more that can be said for a lot of older generations

It was repeatedly sad to see The Guardian towing this line as well.

 

[Jamo Martinez]

I agree that there's a growing number of the youth of today who are becoming positively engaged in politics and have a greater understanding.

That's a big positive! However, I also do think it's fair to say that large swathes are in fact merely or primarily swayed by populist thought.

As I said, there's growing engagement, which is great, although on other hand I cringe at the the videos where drunk people are singing songs...

...about Corbyn, May et al. It's become popular to support Corbyn and bemoan May, but how many actually know little more than snippets?

It's difficult really as I don't want to sound as if I'm bemoaning the youth becoming engaged as I'm not; I just worry about the substance of it all.

I think that's true of large proportions of voters of all ages in any period of history.

 

[Gouldy]

I agree that there's a growing number of the youth of today who are becoming positively engaged in politics and have a greater understanding.

That's a big positive! However, I also do think it's fair to say that large swathes are in fact merely or primarily swayed by populist thought.

As I said, there's growing engagement, which is great, although on other hand I cringe at the the videos where drunk people are singing songs...

...about Corbyn, May et al. It's become popular to support Corbyn and bemoan May, but how many actually know little more than snippets?

It's difficult really as I don't want to sound as if I'm bemoaning the youth becoming engaged as I'm not; I just worry about the substance of it all.

There's nothing wrong with populism in the sense of economic and social populism (see Corbyn, Sanders etc). On the other hand authoritarian populism (Trump) is ultimately nauseous.