Current Affairs 2017 General Election

[Tubey]

Didn't 82% of the population vote for a party that supports Brexit?

The primary reason for May calling the election was to be 'strong and stable' going into Brexit negotiations.

The electorate rejected that.

If it was a driving issue for the British electorate, she would have succeeded. It wasn't; the UKIP vote swung to the Tories and Labour universally.

The latest polls for whether we were right to leave indicate a 50/50 split in the electorate, right down the middle.

The soft Brexit is the compromise that most people want, if we have to leave at all. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ng-eu-member-theresa-may-speech-a7530576.html

 

[Martino Robertez]

How many times? NO IT WASN'T!!!

It was a vote by the country to get out of a corrupt and overpowering organisation...

Oh dear mate.

Step away from the Daily Mail.

It was a power grab by the right, who are fed up of being found guilty of acting against the Human rights act and Employment Law.
They want to rip both up so they can make more money out of the rest of us.
They exploited the paranoid and the racists to push it through with promises they reneged on the morning after and they've been ignoring ever since.
Brexit was a huge Tory con.

 

[bring the ghost on]

And you get that medication sorted for your crippling anger issues, yeah?

Haha.

Tubey, you got a point, @Old Blue 2 does get a bit over excited about Brexit.

That said, I don't think that this election result can be used to explain Brexit as being a protest vote.

Both the vote to leave the EU and the election result have far too many variables for that to be accurate.

The county is hugely divided on many issues at the mo.

 

[Billy Dean]

Premature mate. Massively premature.

If I were Pete I'd be bookmarking that post, because Labour aren't in power, the Tories still are and they can't run a campaign as bad as that again.

Corbyn still has a huge job to do to get Labour in power.

He's currently getting a lot of help from TM. If that continues, and the PLP backs him even a little bit more for the next GE, he'll be in a much stronger position

 

[Tubey]

Haha.

Tubey, you got a point, @Old Blue 2 does get a bit over excited on this issue.

That said, I don't think that this election result can be used to explain Brexit as being a protest.

Both the vote to leave the EU and the election result have far too many variables to make that sweeping statement.

Wouldn't say it proved it, but it was a strong indication of it. Look at how easily May's big 'Brexit' election was swept aside by the electorate to focus on austerity.

Simply not a pressing issue - it could easily be described as a kicking of the elite into not doing what they wanted. Similar to this election - everyone saw a smug May and decided to kick her, as the 'establishment' was more of an issue to vote against than the actual issues.

If the argument that "people want Brexit and just want it done no matter what, get over it" were true, May would have probably won with her stance and you wouldn't have poll after poll with people declaring they don't actually want a 'hard' Brexit and probably never have. We'll never know, because 'hard' Brexit was never in the referendum and the people have never been asked about it.

 

[Tubey]

He's currently getting a lot of help from TM. If that continues, and the PLP backs him even a little bit more for the next GE, he'll be in a much stronger position

Probably, but it's premature. Corbyn has to keep up the energy, and the Tories have to not rebound. As seen in this election, six weeks alone is a very long time in politics - by the time of the next election (whether six months or five years from now), we could have an entirely new landscape.

Corbyn the Campaigner now has to move that energy into being Corbyn the Leader - something I'd argue we haven't seen yet.

 

[Billy Dean]

Probably, but it's premature. Corbyn has to keep up the energy, and the Tories have to not rebound. As seen in this election, six weeks alone is a very long time in politics - by the time of the next election (whether six months or five years from now), we could have an entirely new landscape.

Corbyn the Campaigner now has to move that energy into being Corbyn the Leader - something I'd argue we haven't seen yet.

The Tories have to oust may and rebound sharpish.

Corbin has stepped up so far. Let's see

 

[gonetomorrow]

Surely the Tories would want it during a warmer period so that their target audience don't have to brave the cold

That's true. Mrs May will ask her advisers to suggest another date then - possibly February.

 

[Tubey]

That's true. Mrs May will ask her advisers to suggest another date then - possibly February.

Can't see it. She can't survive any longer than October and their conference in my view, should be gone long before then. A snap election is a certainty at that point, unless the Tories are so incredibly arrogant that they try and stumble on with an unelected leader of a minority government.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

So Tories calling for May to either sacrifice her advisers or fall on her own sword?

I wonder which one she'll go for?

 

[Tubey]

So Tories calling for May to either sacrifice her advisers or fall on her own sword?

I wonder which one she'll go for?

It'll be both. The Tories just see the advisers as being an expendable target now, whereas there's an argument that they need May to be the shield to take the flak whilst they get their affairs in order.

The Tories have been exposed as putting party over country very firmly in the last few days.

 

[bring the ghost on]

Wouldn't say it proved it, but it was a strong indication of it. Look at how easily May's big 'Brexit' election was swept aside by the electorate to focus on austerity.

Simply not a pressing issue - it could easily be described as a kicking of the elite into not doing what they wanted. Similar to this election - everyone saw a smug May and decided to kick her, as the 'establishment' was more of an issue to vote against than the actual issues.

If the argument that "people want Brexit and just want it done no matter what, get over it" were true, May would have probably won with her stance and you wouldn't have poll after poll with people declaring they don't actually want a 'hard' Brexit and probably never have. We'll never know, because 'hard' Brexit was never in the referendum and the people have never been asked about it.

I agree with you there but not every person who voted Leave will have wanted a hard Brexit or agrees with May's "no deal" rhetoric or believes May has demonstrated herself to be the person to lead the negotiations.

When 52% of the voting electorate vote to leave though, I think it undermines the decision to say it was purely protest. There are plenty of other elements - nationalism/patriotism, fear of the political influence of the EU, fear or dislike of free movement of people and being misled by lies during the campaign (yes, both sides, before anyone argues the point). Voting in protest needs to be factored in amongst these, surely?

 

[flibbyflob]

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Is Boris The Empire Strikes Back?

 

[tsubaki]

Premature mate. Massively premature.

If I were Pete I'd be bookmarking that post, because Labour aren't in power, the Tories still are and they can't run a campaign as bad as that again.

Corbyn still has a huge job to do to get Labour in power.

He does, but don't forget the Tories had a lot of advantages at that election that they may not have again.

The economy is at present alright, but whether it is at the next election is another matter. UKIP imploded or stepped aside because May was talking about a hard brexit, and they were led by a cretin, but now Farage is talking about becoming leader again and the realities of what a good Brexit deal will be like is going to revive the UKIP vote. The impact of public service cuts is going to be a lot more pronounced than it was at this election. They were able to label Corbyn as a friend of / sympathizer of terrorists, but now they have just got into bed with the DUP and the links between them and the Saudis (and Qataris) are becoming more clear. May was (just) able to portray this election as being in the national interest, but if they have another one between now and the end of negotiations it will be impossible to see it as anything other than them putting party concerns ahead of the very real danger facing us all. At present they have a reputation among some for competence; if they don't get rid of May now (and the only plausible time to do it is before negotiations start in eight days time) then that will go up in flames.

 

[ToffeeTim]

If this was a anti brexit vote then explain the huge increases in vote that Kate Hoey, Frank Field got etc.

This was an anti tory vote not an anti brexit vote