Current Affairs 2017 General Election

[orly]

It is certainly doing what you say but the cuts are happening in the wrong areas IMO. The NHS needs to be working for the benefit of the people, not the corporations

Depends though mate. There are some vast public sector organisations that are filled with the worst types of civil servant leeches. Genuinely abysmal workers who have taken it to be a job for life.

Then you've got organisations like the CQC that have failed the public and have now been told to shape up or it'll be a damn sight worse than just a select committee for the top brass (and that already is the sword of Damocles for many of them).

Honestly, more public sector oversight of the NHS and all the navel gazing that goes with it would be a disaster. It would be like the HMRC, employing people at Band 6 and above who would get the run around by a two year Consultant from Deloitte.

 

[dannyboy]

Blimey been waiting for someone to write this post for ages about the NHS. At last!

Every senior figure at the moment in the nhs will tell you that we need to stop treating the private sector as anathema. We can sell research and training skills. We can sell appointments and consultant access to industry reps (not to patients). We can sell credentialing.

This idea that we should just firewall the NHS from outside influence is completely farcical. It just won't work

Do not worry in the slightest, mate. I think New Labour and the Tories got the memo on that a long time ago.

 

[JonS]

Does anyone find May likeable? Does she just win because the UK left is as incompetent as the U.S. left?

I find her likeable and I expect others do too.

Yes, she probably does win because Labour is not effective and divided

 

[orly]

Do not worry in the slightest, mate. I think New Labour and the Tories got the memo on that a long time ago.

You'd be amazed mate. For the less intelligent, or the cowards in the NHS who are afraid of losing their safe-as-houses administrative functions, the private sector has always been the bogeyman. Only the smart ones now are starting to think 'why don't we exploit the private sector for the NHS's benefit', but it's nearly too late.

You'd get total collapse under Corbyn et al.

 

[Roger Milla]

Too many "saboteurs" in here that disagree with the Furher

 

[dannyboy]

You'd be amazed mate. For the less intelligent, or the cowards in the NHS who are afraid of losing their safe-as-houses administrative functions, the private sector has always been the bogeyman. Only the smart ones now are starting to think 'why don't we exploit the private sector for the NHS's benefit', but it's nearly too late.

You'd get total collapse under Corbyn et al.

Where it's in the interest of the public to 'exploit' the private sector then absolutely, is this realistic though? I can't see how private sector companies can be exploited and continue to produce a profit.

The NHS will never go 'under'. The money is always there, it's just where you choose to spend it.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Where it's in the interest of the public to 'exploit' the private sector then absolutely, is this realistic though? I can't see how private sector companies can be exploited and continue to produce a profit.

The NHS will never go 'under'. The money is always there, it's just where you choose to spend it.

It's not about exploiting people, it's about accepting that there are a whole bunch of people whose expertise could improve the health of the nation, and the NHS should be a broad and open church that leaves no stone unturned in supporting the health of the nation.

 

[orly]

Where it's in the interest of the public to 'exploit' the private sector then absolutely, is this realistic though? I can't see how private sector companies can be exploited and continue to produce a profit.

The NHS will never go 'under'. The money is always there, it's just where you choose to spend it.

But it isn't mate. Nye Bevan 's nhs yes it would have been but we've moved on and grown as a society since then. Treatments are vastly more complicated. "Minor" operations that cost £100k and happen four times a day everyday.

We must exploit the private sector and Yes, there is scope for it in some of the weirdest places. Formula One development is one area weirdly enough where they can't get enough of nhs research

 

[roydo]

Where it's in the interest of the public to 'exploit' the private sector then absolutely, is this realistic though? I can't see how private sector companies can be exploited and continue to produce a profit.

The NHS will never go 'under'. The money is always there, it's just where you choose to spend it.

Because quite simply, the boot is currently, and has been for ages, on the other foot. They charge what they can get away with.

Mrs R started work at a decent sized GP surgery a few years back. When she took over the "Stationary" ordering, which includes everything, not just stationary, she saved the surgery more than her annual pay in one year, simply by asking for better prices, playing suppliers off against each other, you know, being commercial.

A tiny drop in the ocean granted, but an indication of the culture @orly has alluded to.

 

[dannyboy]

But it isn't mate. Nye Bevan 's nhs yes it would have been but we've moved on and grown as a society since then. Treatments are vastly more complicated. "Minor" operations that cost £100k and happen four times a day everyday.

We must exploit the private sector and Yes, there is scope for it in some of the weirdest places. Formula One development is one area weirdly enough where they can't get enough of nhs research

I take your point on needing to be more efficient, that could be said for any walk of life. I still think as a nation however we can afford 'free health care' for all through taxation and that should always be a sacred cow.

In terms of being profligate with spending I'd be quite interested to know how much was spent during those 'Lansley reforms' and what they've actually achieved. Never really gets spoken about.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Because quite simply, the boot is currently, and has been for ages, on the other foot. They charge what they can get away with.

Mrs R started work at a decent sized GP surgery a few years back. When she took over the "Stationary" ordering, which includes everything, not just stationary, she saved the surgery more than her annual pay in one year, simply by asking for better prices, playing suppliers off against each other, you know, being commercial.

A tiny drop in the ocean granted, but an indication of the culture @orly has alluded to.

Commercial nous is actively discouraged in plenty of public sector areas. My mum can vouch for it. Hmrc are another example of complete crass inefficiency. It's common here in NI for them to fly in randomers from London for inspections. We've dealt with the local office, they know all the ins and outs but then they instead send some lad with no knowledge, no understanding of the situation over for 2 nights and stick him in the Europa at 300 quid a night.

There's an attitude of just spend public money for the sake of it, for no other reason than because we can. The public sector frustrate me on a number of levels tho. Their workers never had it so good but are such moans.

 

[davek]

22 Tories. I dont know whether to laugh or cry.

 

[Joey66]

For me, this is looking like a similar "who do I dislike the least" kinda situation that the US had.
Probably go for Lib Dems...jeez.

This labour MP makes a good point:

He's better than Corbyn

 

[orly]

Commercial nous is actively discouraged in plenty of public sector areas. My mum can vouch for it. Hmrc are another example of complete crass inefficiency. It's common here in NI for them to fly in randomers from London for inspections. We've dealt with the local office, they know all the ins and outs but then they instead send some lad with no knowledge, no understanding of the situation over for 2 nights and stick him in the Europa at 300 quid a night.

There's an attitude of just spend public money for the sake of it, for no other reason than because we can. The public sector frustrate me on a number of levels tho. Their workers never had it so good but are such moans.

Absolutely mate. The sort that absolutely maximise their sustenance allowance every single time because they are 'entitled' to it.
I knew a senior individual who couldn't face the train home after working til 7pm (to a stop 30 mins outside London) but qualified to claim for a £125 hotel. Completely mental.

 

[davek]

Kinnock today: "I dont think I'll see another Labour Government in my lifetime."

He condemned a generation of people to that with his two embarrassing defeats.

I mean, you wouldn't open your grid if you had that record, would you?

Just sit in the Lords, ginger, and have a sleep.