Current Affairs 2017 General Election

[tsubaki]

I dont think this has any bearing on people not voting labour

Of course it does. Look at the polling since the referendum:

Also look at the language used here and elsewhere about why they don't like Corbyn - he isn't strong enough, his party isn't united, the internal chaos will continue if he remains as leader etc.

 

[tsubaki]

Easy - they'll be able to parcel all of the recent failures (Brexit, local elections, MPs leaving for private sector jobs) off with Corbyn and the Loonies and make a Wicker Man out of him.

Very sensible work from the new candidate. In fact, once Diane Abbott loses her seat and John McDonald goes back to his perch on the back benches, it'll feel like a well, New New New Labour.

I think you need to learn what "sensible" means.

 

[JonS]

But he's a lovely bloke who doesn't like wearing ties

He is a lovely bloke IMO. Maybe ineffective as a politician or Labour leader or even as a potential PM, but I'd rather have his humanity than any self or corporation-serving person.

He's not going to win though and I'm not going to knock anyone who wants him gone because of that

 

[neil999]

I think Corbyn needs to take a leaf out of trump adn brexits book to stand a chance

Of course it does. Look at the polling since the referendum:

Also look at the language used here and elsewhere about why they don't like Corbyn - he isn't strong enough, his party isn't united, the internal chaos will continue if he remains as leader etc.

OK i will concede it does have an effect, but a united labour would still not win under Corbyn

 

[orly]

He is a lovely bloke IMO. Maybe ineffective as a politician or Labour leader or even as a potential PM, but I'd rather have his humanity than any self or corporation-serving person.

He's not going to win though and I'm not going to knock anyone who wants him gone because of that

Hey John - not disputing that. He's just chosen to surround himself with a load of absolute rats when he could have been a fantastic break for change.

 

[tsubaki]

OK i will concede it does have an effect, but a united labour would still not win under Corbyn

Perhaps not, but I cannot see anyone else in the party that would - and I can see dozens who would do far worse.

 

[orly]

I think you need to learn what "sensible" means.

Not really, I've just shown you exactly what will happen. You just don't like it because you're one of the last remaining Corbynites who can't see the iceberg coming.

10-20 majority was your prediction wasn't it?

 

[neil999]

Perhaps not, but I cannot see anyone else in the party that would - and I can see dozens who would do far worse.

jarvis?

 

[orly]

I doubt they'll bother. He'll bury himself anyway.

They've been on 'early election footing' for ages - how long do you reckon it will take for the manifesto to come out, and then be torn to shreds?

 

[orly]

jarvis?

Don't you mean Corbyn mate? There is no alternative don't forget.

 

[rascal]

The worst PM of my lifetime vs the worst opposition leader of any lifetime.

Great.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

jarvis?

The problem Labour faces is the divide that Brexit has made all too evident within the party between its working class supporters from smaller towns (often in the north), and its metropolitan supporters in London et al. The two groups don't really have a great deal in common, and are especially divided on social issues (immigration, crime etc.). I can't see really how any party/leader can reconcile them, and they run the risk of the Lib Dems snapping up the metropolitan voters and UKIP snapping up the northern voters. That prospect has only been staved off to the extent it has because UKIP are even more chaotic than Labour are.

 

[tsubaki]

Not really, I've just shown you exactly what will happen. You just don't like it because you're one of the last remaining Corbynites who can't see the iceberg coming.

10-20 majority was your prediction wasn't it?

No, you claimed that it would be sensible for someone with leadership ambitions to pass up on a chance to be leader of a party that didn't have that many problems, and instead wait until its replete with problems and has just been smashed before taking over. I am not sure what part of that counts as sensible.

As for my prediction, I said a Tory majority of around that, yes.

 

[neil999]

The problem Labour faces is the divide that Brexit has made all too evident within the party between its working class supporters from smaller towns (often in the north), and its metropolitan supporters in London et al. The two groups don't really have a great deal in common, and are especially divided on social issues (immigration, crime etc.). I can't see really how any party/leader can reconcile them, and they run the risk of the Lib Dems snapping up the metropolitan voters and UKIP snapping up the northern voters. That prospect has only been staved off to the extent it has because UKIP are even more chaotic than Labour are.

Because Jarvis can talk about policies on child benefit, immigration, benefits etc while wearing his army uniform and maybe holding a gun

everybodys happy

 

[tsubaki]

jarvis?

he was in the army, you know