Current Affairs 2017 General Election

[orly]

Think it's worth noting that the tories, with the aid of Ulster Unionists, are about to absolutely unload on Corbyn for his support of terrorism. The minute he turns up in somewhere like Birmingham, Guildford, Warrington etc, he's gonna have plenty of opponents reminding the electorate there that this is a man who supports the organisation who bombed them. And it's not just the IRA, it's Hezbollah and other middle eastern groups too. I sense it's about to get rather nasty.

But he's a lovely bloke who doesn't like wearing ties

 

[tsubaki]

And here we have it, ladies and gentleman, why the Labour party has allowed itself to chuck itself off a cliff.

'Corbyn or Blair, the only options'.

Your Dear Leader is about to condemn the country to a largely unopposed five more years of right-leaning misery. But it'll be someone else's fault.

I'll put something else here. Should Labour win - and let's have it right, it would be a shock well beyond Brexit and Trump for them to turn it round in 51 days - Diane Abbott would probably the Minister in charge of the NHS. Would make Mid Staffs look Florence Nightingale's wet dream

More nonsense. Blairite MPs spend the entire time that Corbyn has been leader attacking him, Mandelson openly acknowledges that he tries to get rid of Corbyn every single day, Blair himself pops up to slate the current Labour leader at every significant media event, and here you are pretending that there is some mythical alternative that everyone can rally around.

If there was, don't you think they would have stood at the two recent leadership elections?

 

[tsubaki]

Think it's worth noting that the tories, with the aid of Ulster Unionists, are about to absolutely unload on Corbyn for his support of terrorism. The minute he turns up in somewhere like Birmingham, Guildford, Warrington etc, he's gonna have plenty of opponents reminding the electorate there that this is a man who supports the organisation who bombed them. And it's not just the IRA, it's Hezbollah and other middle eastern groups too. I sense it's about to get rather nasty.

I like how you have named two of the places where people were wrongfully convicted and spent years in prison as a result.

I also like how you contrast Corbyn's alleged support for the IRA with the alternative and much tougher course the Governments of the day set with regards to the IRA - which was of course to negotiate with them, let them out of prison early, find loads of them jobs in politics and give them all lifetime immunity from prosecution.

 

[neil999]

More nonsense. Blairite MPs spend the entire time that Corbyn has been leader attacking him, Mandelson openly acknowledges that he tries to get rid of Corbyn every single day, Blair himself pops up to slate the current Labour leader at every significant media event, and here you are pretending that there is some mythical alternative that everyone can rally around.

If there was, don't you think they would have stood at the two recent leadership elections?

there has been attacks from outside the PLP, but where are the examples of these ongoing attacks from inside the PLP?

its certainly no worse than some of the stuff john major had to put up with from his party over europe

there is a myth that the PLP are to blame for their current terrible polling, they arent...corbyn and his message does not resonate with the majority of the public..thats it

 

[orly]

More nonsense. Blairite MPs spend the entire time that Corbyn has been leader attacking him, Mandelson openly acknowledges that he tries to get rid of Corbyn every single day, Blair himself pops up to slate the current Labour leader at every significant media event, and here you are pretending that there is some mythical alternative that everyone can rally around.

If there was, don't you think they would have stood at the two recent leadership elections?

No I don't.

Just after Miliband stepped down, the Party was in a bit of a mess but probably didn't require major surgery - the Cons majority wasn't massive, and an all in on 'Remain' would have been sentiment swinging.

Second time round, Corbyn still had union and grassroots support. Both are now very, very tentative.

Any sensible candidate will have let an election cycle pass, probably in a safe seat, and waited to build the party in their own image.

This all fairly obvious to anyone other than the Corbyn hardcore, who will go back to being marginalised loonies in 52 days.

 

[neil999]

I like how you have named two of the places where people were wrongfully convicted and spent years in prison as a result.

I also like how you contrast Corbyn's alleged support for the IRA with the alternative and much tougher course the Governments of the day set with regards to the IRA - which was of course to negotiate with them, let them out of prison early, find loads of them jobs in politics and give them all lifetime immunity from prosecution.

agree with all of this tho..

 

[tsubaki]

there has been attacks from outside the PLP, but where are the examples of these ongoing attacks from inside the PLP?

its certainly no worse than some of the stuff john major had to put up with from his party over europe

there is a myth that the PLP are to blame for their current terrible polling, they arent...corbyn and his message does not resonate with the majority of the public..thats it

er - did you not see what happened the day after the referendum result?

 

[neil999]

No I don't.

Just after Miliband stepped down, the Party was in a bit of a mess but probably didn't require major surgery - the Cons majority wasn't massive, and an all in on 'Remain' would have been sentiment swinging.

Second time round, Corbyn still had union and grassroots support. Both are now very, very tentative.

Any sensible candidate will have let an election cycle pass, probably in a safe seat, and waited to build the party in their own image.

This all fairly obvious to anyone other than the Corbyn hardcore, who will go back to being marginalised loonies in 52 days.

what if he doesnt resign , even after the GE?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

More nonsense. Blairite MPs spend the entire time that Corbyn has been leader attacking him, Mandelson openly acknowledges that he tries to get rid of Corbyn every single day, Blair himself pops up to slate the current Labour leader at every significant media event, and here you are pretending that there is some mythical alternative that everyone can rally around.

If there was, don't you think they would have stood at the two recent leadership elections?

Maybe from here? https://party.coop/people/mps/

Stella Creasey has always impressed me (as a non-Labour voter).

 

[ToffeeTim]

I like how you have named two of the places where people were wrongfully convicted and spent years in prison as a result.

I also like how you contrast Corbyn's alleged support for the IRA with the alternative and much tougher course the Governments of the day set with regards to the IRA - which was of course to negotiate with them, let them out of prison early, find loads of them jobs in politics and give them all lifetime immunity from prosecution.

Fair comment.

But there's a marked difference between trying to reform terrorists by appeasing them and supporting the goals of terrorist groups.

 

[neil999]

er - did you not see what happened the day after the referendum result?

I dont think this has any bearing on people not voting labour

 

[orly]

what if he doesnt resign , even after the GE?

He wouldn't survive the PLP or public sentiment if there is a conservative landslide (v. likely unfortunately).

He's got 52 days.

 

[tsubaki]

No I don't.

Just after Miliband stepped down, the Party was in a bit of a mess but probably didn't require major surgery - the Cons majority wasn't massive, and an all in on 'Remain' would have been sentiment swinging.

Second time round, Corbyn still had union and grassroots support. Both are now very, very tentative.

Any sensible candidate will have let an election cycle pass, probably in a safe seat, and waited to build the party in their own image.

This all fairly obvious to anyone other than the Corbyn hardcore, who will go back to being marginalised loonies in 52 days.

So basically what you are saying is that the sensible candidate would have let a party that was in a bit of a mess but didn't require surgery go through all this, and then come in and rebuild a party that will be in (according to you) considerably more of a mess and which will require major surgery to fix.

What part of that suggests they are a sensible candidate?

 

[Tubey]

Think it's worth noting that the tories, with the aid of Ulster Unionists, are about to absolutely unload on Corbyn for his support of terrorism. The minute he turns up in somewhere like Birmingham, Guildford, Warrington etc, he's gonna have plenty of opponents reminding the electorate there that this is a man who supports the organisation who bombed them. And it's not just the IRA, it's Hezbollah and other middle eastern groups too. I sense it's about to get rather nasty.

I doubt they'll bother. He'll bury himself anyway.

 

[orly]

So basically what you are saying is that the sensible candidate would have let a party that was in a bit of a mess but didn't require surgery go through all this, and then come in and rebuild a party that will be in (according to you) considerably more of a mess and which will require major surgery to fix.

What part of that suggests they are a sensible candidate?

Easy - they'll be able to parcel all of the recent failures (Brexit, local elections, MPs leaving for private sector jobs) off with Corbyn and the Loonies and make a Wicker Man out of him.

Very sensible work from the new candidate. In fact, once Diane Abbott loses her seat and John McDonald goes back to his perch on the back benches, it'll feel like a well, New New New Labour.