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I think it was a 'let's not spook the horses' presentation. Give as little ammunition to her enemies as possible.....
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I think it was a 'let's not spook the horses' presentation. Give as little ammunition to her enemies as possible.....
No facts or financial backing in that manefesto she's behaving if she is a president in waiting not impressed of cours e she is. A better option than. Corbynism and imo she is playing on that a death tax FGS!
I should make clear from this post that May is almost certainly going to win this election, so I am not questioning her coronation.
However I do think she is fighting a poor campaign. The Manifesto is an odd one with lots of attacks on older people (her core group) and unusual policies such as Fox Hunting being released which are hardly vote winners in marginal seats. I wonder if there is an extreme arrogance (in she thinks she has a massive win in the bag) or sabotage internally with leaks (very possible when you consider how Osbourne et al are behaving) though I sense a bit of both. However she is making a mess of an open goal currently. I really thought she would come out on the offensive at this point but is struggling to do so.
The stuff around taxing of property kind of makes sense but not within the context of what they have been arguing as a party for 35 years. They created a lopsided economy and then sold off housing stock on the back of a supply problem in the South East. This has created enormous wealth for a great number of ordinary people. I am no lover of Thatcher but this policy was a genius idea. It turned Labour voters into Tories, gave them a stake in the system, bought their loyalty and changed the whole narrative around collective solidarity against Tories in more suburban areas. It also played perfectly to her liberalised vision- the big state being replaced by entreprenerial individuals. The measure to basically tax these people on illness or death for all of that asset I can't see sitting well.
Likewise the withdrawal of the triple lock is a big powder keg. While many on the left bang on about the NHS (And this does have some traction for votes) few policies are as universally unpopular as the withdrawal of the triple lock. In almost every group, old young, rich poor, male female, and voters across the spectrum generally ran a 6/7-1 ratio of disagreeing with this policy. It's a big call to go ahead with it.
The whole thing looks a mess to me. My partners old man is in a home and the fees are extortionate. Someone is creaming off tonnes of money off this. The idea that the family will have to sell the majority of assets to cover these fees seems wasteful. What s wrong with progressive taxation, some inheritance tax and using that money to train up nurses, carers and doctors without having the exorbitant fees involved with private businesses?
I could go on. May will will the election but runs the risk of doing great damage to the Conservative brand if she continues along this way. She will not have a handy chunk of right wing voters to eat into at the next election to help shield her. She will probably not be fighting an opposition as all over the shop as Corbyn's Labour. Unless she pulls her finger out I can see the polls closing further, and the question will be how quickly they can close as opposed to whether they will or won't.
However I do think she is fighting a poor campaign. The Manifesto is an odd one with lots of attacks on older people (her core group) and unusual policies such as Fox Hunting being released which are hardly vote winners in marginal seats. I wonder if there is an extreme arrogance (in she thinks she has a massive win in the bag) or sabotage internally with leaks (very possible when you consider how Osbourne et al are behaving) though I sense a bit of both. However she is making a mess of an open goal currently. I really thought she would come out on the offensive at this point but is struggling to do so.
The stuff around taxing of property kind of makes sense but not within the context of what they have been arguing as a party for 35 years. They created a lopsided economy and then sold off housing stock on the back of a supply problem in the South East. This has created enormous wealth for a great number of ordinary people. I am no lover of Thatcher but this policy was a genius idea. It turned Labour voters into Tories, gave them a stake in the system, bought their loyalty and changed the whole narrative around collective solidarity against Tories in more suburban areas. It also played perfectly to her liberalised vision- the big state being replaced by entreprenerial individuals. The measure to basically tax these people on illness or death for all of that asset I can't see sitting well.
Likewise the withdrawal of the triple lock is a big powder keg. While many on the left bang on about the NHS (And this does have some traction for votes) few policies are as universally unpopular as the withdrawal of the triple lock. In almost every group, old young, rich poor, male female, and voters across the spectrum generally ran a 6/7-1 ratio of disagreeing with this policy. It's a big call to go ahead with it.
The whole thing looks a mess to me. My partners old man is in a home and the fees are extortionate. Someone is creaming off tonnes of money off this. The idea that the family will have to sell the majority of assets to cover these fees seems wasteful. What s wrong with progressive taxation, some inheritance tax and using that money to train up nurses, carers and doctors without having the exorbitant fees involved with private businesses?
I could go on. May will will the election but runs the risk of doing great damage to the Conservative brand if she continues along this way. She will not have a handy chunk of right wing voters to eat into at the next election to help shield her. She will probably not be fighting an opposition as all over the shop as Corbyn's Labour. Unless she pulls her finger out I can see the polls closing further, and the question will be how quickly they can close as opposed to whether they will or won't.
Time to decide whether you hate immigrants more than you like social care, Tories.
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Nevermind the manifesto, how many times did she mention 'strong and stable'?
"In the 2015 election, when the Labour party put forward plans for a surcharge on estates to pay for social care, its plan was based on everyone sharing the cost.
The Conservatives said a 15% “death tax” in addition to the inheritance levy of 40% on estates worth more than £330,000 could mean a levy of £46,000 for the average Briton.
The Tories said the Labour plan penalised families with large homes or other substantial assets.
Jeremy Hunt, the health secretary at the time, said pensioners “deserve better” than a “secret tax bombshell”.
Oh dear. I wonder when the state controlled BBC will get their anti Corbyn Fake news snide Laura Kuennsberg onto the case of putting the Tories on the spot. She could ask why they have pinched another Labour proposal.
The Tories are giving people an option though. If you don't want to pay a death tax then take time off work to look after your elderly/frail relatives. Mind, pensioners will have less money when the Pension Snatcher takes even more money off the old.
The Tories are so bad with numbers. They couldn't explain how they were going to shore up their budget, that was left with a £2 billion black hole after their colossal NI on the self employed incompetence.
The Conservatives said a 15% “death tax” in addition to the inheritance levy of 40% on estates worth more than £330,000 could mean a levy of £46,000 for the average Briton.
The Tories said the Labour plan penalised families with large homes or other substantial assets.
Jeremy Hunt, the health secretary at the time, said pensioners “deserve better” than a “secret tax bombshell”.
Oh dear. I wonder when the state controlled BBC will get their anti Corbyn Fake news snide Laura Kuennsberg onto the case of putting the Tories on the spot. She could ask why they have pinched another Labour proposal.
The Tories are giving people an option though. If you don't want to pay a death tax then take time off work to look after your elderly/frail relatives. Mind, pensioners will have less money when the Pension Snatcher takes even more money off the old.
The Tories are so bad with numbers. They couldn't explain how they were going to shore up their budget, that was left with a £2 billion black hole after their colossal NI on the self employed incompetence.
roydo
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My view is that the Labour one will/was be liked by those who will vote for them anyrate, and not many others.
The Tory one seems to be the exact opposite.
No one has the stones to stand up and say the issue on elderly social care is a once in a lifetime fluke of demographics. It should be funded as such. The high water mark on cost is probably soon, if not now, and once the baby boomer generation have all passed on, the issue will have taken care of itself.
Its one of the few instances where it is actually a good idea to kick the can down the road, and allow the wealth generated/gifted to that generation actually pass on to future generations, who, lets face it, dont get much of a pay out from any Government, despite their soundbites.
My take anyrate.
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The Tories are clearly so confident that the turkeys will vote for Christmas that they feel they can stick it to their core support base the way they have and still win comfortably
They're probably right too
They're probably right too
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I think you are right in a way mate. It's a big voter turn off at least I am hoping it is.
This social care issue really targets Tory voters and I think is a big own goal couple that with the triple lock being removed I think they have shot themselves in the foot!
roydo
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Seems an odd battle ground to choose.
Like in the town where I have lived, on and off, for 45 years, I remember 2 old folks homes back then.
Now, I deliver to 8. Plus tons of elderly folk in dock side apartments, most having downsized from big places in Portishead, and Bristol.
In about 10 years, maybe less, I reckon they will mostly be affordable flats for youngsters.
Its a bubble, (baby boomers), that have impacted on every aspect of society since about 1955. (They were the very first teenagers for example, except they wernt, obviously, but the first to have a sizeable disposable income.
edit. As an example of maybe the high water mark being reached, a development for another 180 flat block has been shelved by the developers; reason, low demand.....
About time pensioners had something go against them to be fair lol
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Unfortunately this is true. The Tories are just trying to get through this campaign without someone saying something which will cock it up for them. (bit like Brown v Gillian Duffy)
Expect the usual soundbites and nothing meaningful, else they might slip up. Their mantra will be to protect what they have got, not going for more.
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