Current Affairs 2017 General Election

[chicoazul]

@JonS you Tory come to me.

 

[Donald Twain]

@JonS you Tory come to me.

evening mate, do you think this country deserves all it gets ?

 

[chicoazul]

evening mate, do you think this country deserves all it gets ?

Absolutely not Donnie. I think there's a lot of very good people on the island and I for one hate to see good people suffering.

 

[Donald Twain]

Absolutely not Donnie. I think there's a lot of very good people on the island and I for one hate to see good people suffering.

there aint many left ser, most have given up or have been bowed down in chains of reason and hate . What can be done ?

 

[Brennan]

It's all about opinion. I know a lot of people who never went/aren't going uni because of the debt. I know people in a similar situation to yours who could definitely do without the debt.

Surely all students would rather prefer less debt than they currently get. Whatever your opinion is of Corbyn, he's got the right policy on this one.

They're daft.

 

[chicoazul]

there aint many left ser, most have given up or have been bowed down in chains of reason and hate . What can be done ?

Back the young generation, they're good people and will technology their way out of this mess.

 

[edge]

He's a Tory Mr the edge sir and I want admittance so I can help heal him. As long as you don't bury me in a forum shallow grave then we all good and I will proceed. Thank you kind sir.

He isn't a Tory , read his post , can't speak for him , but a labour supporter that is fed up with the current lot might be more of a description.
Carry on digging and it will be your own forum grave you will be digging not me.
All good carry on,.
Am watching the pressure is on you , like Rom can you score against the big boys , or are you only good against the lesser Light virgins in the transfer threads.

 

[chicoazul]

He isn't a Tory , read his post , can't speak for him , but a labour supporter that is fed up with the current lot might be more of a description.
Carry on digging and it will be your own forum grave you will be digging not me.
All good carry on,.
Am watching the pressure is on you , like Rom can you score against the big boys , or are you only good against the lesser Light virgins in the transfer threads.

gets subbed after 62 mins*

 

[chicoazul]

@JonS the labour supporter who is doing alright for himself and then finds himself turning Tory but is too embarrassed to admit it so blames labour instead. Disgusting. The worst kind.

 

[Donald Twain]

Back the young generation, they're good people and will technology their way out of this mess.

laughing!

 

[Kendall's Dream]

They're daft.

In your opinion. I disagree with them but I wouldn't call them daft, they have their reasons. With other opportunities like apprenticeships available to them where they can get educated, work + payed, they would rather take that option than have the burden of debt, no matter how relaxed the repayment is.

@ToffeeTim @WycombeToffee on your points, no matter how you look at it, students coming out of uni have to repay that £37k, it doesn't change because it's over so long, it's still 37k which is far too much in my opinion. Should be either reduced or scrapped, something Labour will do and May won't, she'll actually do the opposite.

 

[Brennan]

In your opinion. I disagree with them but I wouldn't call them daft, they have their reasons. With other opportunities like apprenticeships available to them where they can get educated, work + payed, they would rather take that option than have the burden of debt, no matter how relaxed the repayment is.

@ToffeeTim @WycombeToffee on your points, no matter how you look at it, students coming out of uni have to repay that £37k, it doesn't change because it's over so long, it's still 37k which is far too much in my opinion. Should be either reduced or scrapped, something Labour will do and May won't, she'll actually do the opposite.

Your use of the term 'burden' is disingenuous.

The current system has graduates paying back less per month than the system employed by the previous labour government, unless you're a very high earner.

If University fees are scrapped then those courses will almost certainly be funded through general taxation. Do you think it is fairer to expect everybody to fund higher education via taxes whether they use it or not ?

It is essentially a graduate tax and unless you come out of University into a job earning £50k+ you won't repay the full amount.

I'm all for education being free but that's not an option here. You can either charge everybody to fund it or directly charge those who actually attend and go on to be high earners. I would say there's a strong argument for the latter.

 

[chicoazul]

So at the end of the first day of the scouse insurgency I'd like to ask the tories what their thoughts are and if they're happy with the opening salvos being fired? Ready yourself, this is just the artillery softening you up.

Not in Everton's name will you be allowed to get away with this.

 

[Armel]

Think you missed a key one off your list. Tuition fees is definitely a big factor for lots of people, whether voters are current students, going to uni in September or have family/friends about to go uni.

Average student does a 3 year degree. £9,250 a year, £27,750 in total. Roughly £3k maintenance loans per year, another 9k. Around £37k debt at the age of 22/23 is appalling, and May wants to raise tuition fees even higher.

Corbyn has announced students will be getting maintenance grants plus I bet tuition fees info will be announced in the coming weeks (if I haven't already missed it?). It's actually a big reason why I'm going to vote for Labour and I think the policies are going to win a lot of younger people's votes (whether they go out and vote is a different story).

Sorry for the mini rant but it's an issue that I can seriously relate with

Feel for you.

I studied for seven years (multiple academic degrees) and I paid 450 € /year (for students who don't have enough money it's completely free + free student housing). My advanced degree (after the Master) was 1000/year but that was because a large part of it was abroad.

Imo education should always be free. Most parties here accept that, we don't have something that is Tory-like, we do have an extreme-right bunch but they also want free education so... . Oh and the communists, I assume they also want free education.

The problem is that nowadays some people don't like solidarity. If they don't use it, they don't want to pay for it. Oh well.

 

[tadao]

Your use of the term 'burden' is disingenuous.

The current system has graduates paying back less per month than the system employed by the previous labour government, unless you're a very high earner.

If University fees are scrapped then those courses will almost certainly be funded through general taxation. Do you think it is fairer to expect everybody to fund higher education via taxes whether they use it or not ?

It is essentially a graduate tax and unless you come out of University into a job earning £50k+ you won't repay the full amount.

I'm all for education being free but that's not an option here. You can either charge everybody to fund it or directly charge those who actually attend and go on to be high earners. I would say there's a strong argument for the latter.

Gross earnings of £35k per annum = monthly repayment of £105 = £1260 per annum = 21 years to repay £27k?