Current Affairs 2017 General Election

[chicoazul]

Nah, he's had you mate. He's not rising to the bait......but keep trying.......

He's hiding in the corner after reporting all my posts to the mods. I suppose one may see this as victory in the same sense one may seen economic ruin via referendum as victory. Sober up Pete, we're taking over your wee bigoted hideaway here.

 

[peteblue]

He's hiding in the corner after reporting all my posts to the mods. I suppose one may see this as victory in the same sense one may seen economic ruin via referendum as victory. Sober up Pete, we're taking over your wee bigoted hideaway here.

Should be good tomorrow then........

 

[Mrk]

Timberlake endorses the Tories.



Sick of celebrity endorsements.

 

[ToffeeTim]

It's all about opinion. I know a lot of people who never went/aren't going uni because of the debt. I know people in a similar situation to yours who could definitely do without the debt.

Surely all students would rather prefer less debt than they currently get. Whatever your opinion is of Corbyn, he's got the right policy on this one.

No I think he's got the wrong one. And it's not proper debt. Most debts you have to repay regardless of your personal circumstances. This system means you only pay it back when you earn a comfortable wage.

We need to pay for universities and the fact three times as many go to them as 40 years ago. That money doesn't magically grow on trees. It's only fair that those who are the beneficiaries pay for it. Why should those who weren't lucky enough to get the education pay for us? Especially in the current climate where university is a 4 year drinking session for some. Graduates should pay. It takes the burden off parents to provide too. They need nothing up front.

Not going to uni because of debt is a ridiculous argument. You pay nothing at the time. You could end up paying nothing back ever if you earn a low wage. It's fake debt you could say. It's irresponsible to think you should be entitled to free education which is paid for by taxpayers who weren't privileged to get it themselves.

 

[Clint Planet]

Come on Clint, you're in education, you should be able to read between the lines and at least understand history......

Much, much more than you can, it would seem.

 

[Clint Planet]

Timberlake endorses the Tories.



Sick of celebrity endorsements.

To be fair, it is May.

 

[JonS]

No I think he's got the wrong one. And it's not proper debt. Most debts you have to repay regardless of your personal circumstances. This system means you only pay it back when you earn a comfortable wage.

We need to pay for universities and the fact three times as many go to them as 40 years ago. That money doesn't magically grow on trees. It's only fair that those who are the beneficiaries pay for it. Why should those who weren't lucky enough to get the education pay for us? Especially in the current climate where university is a 4 year drinking session for some. Graduates should pay. It takes the burden off parents to provide too. They need nothing up front.

Not going to uni because of debt is a ridiculous argument. You pay nothing at the time. You could end up paying nothing back ever if you earn a low wage. It's fake debt you could say. It's irresponsible to think you should be entitled to free education which is paid for by taxpayers who weren't privileged to get it themselves.

There's no way I would go to Uni nowadays with the tuition fees and loan to pay back.

That said, in my day as well as not having fees we actually got a grant. No wonder non students tended not to like students as we would be drinking away our grant money paid for by working peoples taxes.

Think these days students get and deserve a lot more respect having to work as well as study and pay the loans back

 

[peteblue]

Much, much more than you can, it would seem.

Disappointed tbh.......can you not admit that Britain did any good at all.......even when we closed down and enforced upon other countries the end of the slave trade.......

 

[WycombeToffee]

If you step back a bit, then the triple lock isn't as straightforward as it first appears. It was put in place when inflation and earnings growth were both low, and part of the reason for the 2.5% minimum was because pensioners had got left behind because earnings were increasing faster than prices. There's something to be said for reducing the 2.5% minimum and just letting pensions rise at CPI or earnings inflation. Now, obviously, that's unlikely to be the tories plan, but it would be a credible alternative for a party to put forward.

If we return to a low inflation environment where the 2.5% starts to kick in again, then, if you assume that you're not going to tax workers or companies to fund that, then the obvious effect of that is a need to balance the books, which would likely mean a further increase, over and above what would otherwise be happening, to the age at which the state pension is paid. So, old people would end up with more money, but those approaching retirement would have to wait a year or two longer before they could get their hands on it. There's always a trade off somewhere, and that's the most likely scenario.

Exactly. The triple lock issue is very complex, and scrapping it wouldn't actually be too unpopular amongst pensioners. With inflation at 2.3% at the moment, it wouldn't really make much of a difference anyway.

 

[edge]

He's hiding in the corner after reporting all my posts to the mods. I suppose one may see this as victory in the same sense one may seen economic ruin via referendum as victory. Sober up Pete, we're taking over your wee bigoted hideaway here.

Pete's right here though mate jons has whooped your arse on here today, looked the better man all day.

 

[chicoazul]

Pete's right here though mate jons has whooped your arse on here today, looked the better man all day.

Who set the edge on me? Fess up. So unfair. I was having fun too.

 

[WycombeToffee]

Think you missed a key one off your list. Tuition fees is definitely a big factor for lots of people, whether voters are current students, going to uni in September or have family/friends about to go uni.

Average student does a 3 year degree. £9,250 a year, £27,750 in total. Roughly £3k maintenance loans per year, another 9k. Around £37k debt at the age of 22/23 is appalling, and May wants to raise tuition fees even higher.

Corbyn has announced students will be getting maintenance grants plus I bet tuition fees info will be announced in the coming weeks (if I haven't already missed it?). It's actually a big reason why I'm going to vote for Labour and I think the policies are going to win a lot of younger people's votes (whether they go out and vote is a different story).

Sorry for the mini rant but it's an issue that I can seriously relate with

As a student, I do think the tuition fees issue is overstated. Yes, it clearly won't be nice to pay off a large debt, but the way you pay it back is very reasonable. You have to be earning over a certain amount to even start paying it back, and then the rate is at a small manageable percentage of total income. The debt is written off completely if not paid after 30 years anyway. Bear in mind that in exchange for this "graduate tax" as Tim put it, you get a better quality higher education which then helps you find jobs in the future. Like most things, the issue isn't black and white. It is more complex than that.

 

[edge]

Who set the edge on me? Fess up. So unfair. I was having fun too.

I am not saying don't post just up your game. it's like your on Preseason mode already
Hard forum to get game on here mate because people on both sides tend to get called upon to back up there stance , nutters don't last that long.

 

[tadao]

No I think he's got the wrong one. And it's not proper debt. Most debts you have to repay regardless of your personal circumstances. This system means you only pay it back when you earn a comfortable wage.

We need to pay for universities and the fact three times as many go to them as 40 years ago. That money doesn't magically grow on trees. It's only fair that those who are the beneficiaries pay for it. Why should those who weren't lucky enough to get the education pay for us? Especially in the current climate where university is a 4 year drinking session for some. Graduates should pay. It takes the burden off parents to provide too. They need nothing up front.

Not going to uni because of debt is a ridiculous argument. You pay nothing at the time. You could end up paying nothing back ever if you earn a low wage. It's fake debt you could say. It's irresponsible to think you should be entitled to free education which is paid for by taxpayers who weren't privileged to get it themselves.

Education used to be free.
http://www.historyandpolicy.org/policy-papers/papers/university-fees-in-historical-perspective

 

[chicoazul]

I am not saying don't post just up your game. it's like your on Preseason mode already
Hard forum to get game on here mate because people on both sides tend to get called upon to back up there stance , nutters don't last that long.

He's a Tory Mr the edge sir and I want admittance so I can help heal him. As long as you don't bury me in a forum shallow grave then we all good and I will proceed. Thank you kind sir.