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Spurs got £25m despite reaching the quarter finals. That was only 15% of their total earnings.

£25m, after you take away the inevitable rise in player wage demands and transfer of your best players who then need replacing is an utter drop in the ocean.

And yeah, there are extra advertising opportunities, but so far Spurs haven't exactly taken off as a result. This season they lost two of their best players and will more than likely lose their best in the Summer.

We would have to not only reach the group stages, we'd have to qualify from the group stages to see anything approaching a noticeable financial benefit. And then who is to say the money won't go on paying off debts ?
 
Spurs, Motherwell, hearts and us have all never been in since. Leeds, Necwastle, Villarreal, Boavista and Deportivo were all relegated.

Hell, Apoel reached the quarters of the CL and haven't won their league since. And they play in fecking cyprus.

Not an English club, imprudent spending to achieve the end resuly or not in the modern era.

Comparing the Cypriot league to the ramifications of finishing 4th in the English Premier League is massively missing the point.

The better, more obvious example you could have made is Liverpool after Istanbul. They won it and then plummeted dramatically, but you can't account for bad use of the opportunity and stupid spending.

If you gave Moyes the £9m from playing and winning the qualification round, complete with the enhanced profile of the club from mixing it in Europe's premier competition, then we obviously attract a better quality of player and there's a much bigger chance of kicking on than there is from the pittance offered in terms of finance and prestige in the FA Cup.
 
Not an English club, imprudent spending to achieve the end resuly or not in the modern era.

Comparing the Cypriot league to the ramifications of finishing 4th in the English Premier League is massively missing the point.

The better, more obvious example you could have made is Liverpool after Istanbul. They won it and then plummeted dramatically, but you can't account for bad use of the opportunity and stupid spending.

If you gave Moyes the £9m from playing and winning the qualification round, complete with the enhanced profile of the club from mixing it in Europe's premier competition, then we obviously attract a better quality of player and there's a much bigger chance of kicking on than there is from the pittance offered in terms of finance and prestige in the FA Cup.

How are Leeds, Newcastle, Spurs and us not the modern era. We are the only four english clubs to play in the CL this century without winning what you call big trophies.

And two were relegated and none of the four have even been in it twice let alone won trophies off the back off it. It's a duff strategy.
 
I think you make it difficult for yourself as a fan if you start weighing up the values of competitions and the like. It's easy to get so hung up on it you forget to just enjoy the footy. Watching your team win is the best part of success, looking at trophies and league tables and balance sheets isn't fun for very long.
 
I think you make it difficult for yourself as a fan if you start weighing up the values of competitions and the like. It's easy to get so hung up on it you forget to just enjoy the footy. Watching your team win is the best part of success, looking at trophies and league tables and balance sheets isn't fun for very long.

I'd agree with this.

It's hard enough being an Everton fan without deciding which things we'd like the most. Odds will be constantly stacked against us actually winning anything or qualifying for the Champs League so just enjoy whatever good times come.
 
I think it hasnt been noticable to spurs as their owners to an extent have halted the spending and focused on funding their new stadium I think thats where alot of their cash has gone to, I would love us to lift a trophy but at the same time us playing the likes of real madrid in the CL and moyes having atleast £10 mil or so to bring 1-2 good players in without having to sell would be brilliant also.

I do agree though that until kenwright and the rest **** off we will never have the cash to challenge constantly for top 4/ the title
 
I'vs said before, I'd be prouder to see my club rubbing shoulders with the world's elite than beating a few football league sides and then winning a couple of prem fixtures to win a domestic trophy. Participating doesn't fill out the honours list but if you CAN qualify for the CL and compete with the best, you HAVE to put that first for me. There's more honour to be had trying to beat the world's best and failing than winning a trophy that championship sides regularly reach the latter stages of.

The money is important too. I'd say the three years of top 6 finishes we had from 07-09 were a long term result of the money from our CL qualification and the Rooney sale.

Each to their own, I suppose. I haven't had my Wembley final day win yet and this barron 18 year spell can't go on, like.
 
How are Leeds, Newcastle, Spurs and us not the modern era. We are the only four english clubs to play in the CL this century without winning what you call big trophies.

And two were relegated and none of the four have even been in it twice let alone won trophies off the back off it. It's a duff strategy.

Neither we or Newcastle have played in the Champions League proper this century, Leeds was based on a ridiculous financial strategy that was never going to work and is not comparable to us, and Spurs haven't done too badly at all since qualifying. Really deep squad, the profiles of key players enhanced massively, and memorable wins over Inter and Milan that defined them as a European side and have since attracted really good players to the squad and meant inflated fees for those they have sold.

They're on course to finish in or around the top four ever since. That was only 2011 and they finished 4th last year and would have qualified again if it weren't for Chelsea.
 
Neither we or Newcastle have played in the Champions League proper this century, Leeds was based on a ridiculous financial strategy that was never going to work and is not comparable to us, and Spurs haven't done too badly at all since qualifying. Really deep squad, the profiles of key players enhanced massively, and memorable wins over Inter and Milan that defined them as a European side and have since attracted really good players to the squad and meant inflated fees for those they have sold.

They're on course to finish in or around the top four ever since. That was only 2011 and they finished 4th last year and would have qualified again if it weren't for Chelsea.

So? They didn't win the league did they. I want us to win trophies and I see no reason at all to think that finishing 4th helps you do that.
 
And finally, you're kidding yourself if you think qualification for the Champions League, or even reaching the last 8 of the thing would have a big enough financial impact to make a noticeable change to Everton in the long run. Look at Spurs, they did it, and where are they now ? Finishing 5th, there or thereabouts. Not seriously challenging the top spots in the Prem and certainly not threatening the Champions League elite.

Yeah, might want to check that again big guy... They'd have qualified again last year if Chelsea hadn't won it.

Holding up Spurs as the "poster child" for how qualifying for the Champions League isn't "all that" is insane. They went from finishing 11th and 8th to finishing 4th, 5th, 4th and currently in 4th now.
 
So? They didn't win the league did they. I want us to win trophies and I see no reason at all to think that finishing 4th helps you do that.

No, but they played Real Madrid, Inter Milan, AC Milan and Werder Bremen in the biggest cup competition on the planet home and away.

"Scant consolation" though, eh?
 
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