He had a good game against Germany in the group stage, but wasn't one of the best players at the U21's. But I made the point earlier about big ahtletic players standing out at youth tournaments. Ryan Babel was player of the tournament a couple of years ago. If you are big and strong, you have such an advantage over smaller players who will naturally sturggle to handle the physical side of the game. But at senior level, being physically adept isn't enough to stand out. So often naturally physical players break into first teams at young ages and thus it is said they have huge potential. But these players often get supassed by the more technically gifted players who start to physically mature. I watched David Silva the other day and he was sensational. But he didn't even play for Valencia in La Liga until he was nearly 22. Rodwell made his debut at 16, yet I bet even at 16 Silva had far more genuine potential, it's just he was nowhere near physical enough to play at senior level. Personally, of his age group, I think the likes of Albrighton, Walker, Smalling, Sturridge and Wilshere are all more likely to become England regulars. It might seem like I have a issue with Rodwell, but I really don't and think he looks like a good player, but I just can't get the hype. I don't even think he's in the top 5 English players aged 19-21.
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He had a good game against Germany in the group stage, but wasn't one of the best players at the U21's. But I made the point earlier about big ahtletic players standing out at youth tournaments. Ryan Babel was player of the tournament a couple of years ago. If you are big and strong, you have such an advantage over smaller players who will naturally sturggle to handle the physical side of the game. But at senior level, being physically adept isn't enough to stand out. So often naturally physical players break into first teams at young ages and thus it is said they have huge potential. But these players often get supassed by the more technically gifted players who start to physically mature. I watched David Silva the other day and he was sensational. But he didn't even play for Valencia in La Liga until he was nearly 22. Rodwell made his debut at 16, yet I bet even at 16 Silva had far more genuine potential, it's just he was nowhere near physical enough to play at senior level. Personally, of his age group, I think the likes of Albrighton, Walker, Smalling, Sturridge and Wilshere are all more likely to become England regulars. It might seem like I have a issue with Rodwell, but I really don't and think he looks like a good player, but I just can't get the hype. I don't even think he's in the top 5 English players aged 19-21.
marcus
Player Valuation: £15m
I think 30 Million is about right, we do not really want to sell however if a bid becomes to good to turn down then we will sell and buy new players from the transfer kitty, Moyes has slapped that price tag on Rodwell to scare off the interested parties and sending a clear message that we would rather keep our best assets.
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Player Valuation: £80m
All valid points but none address the original point that the transfer market has changed dramatically since Rooney was sold. If a team wants Rodwell, they're going to pay and pay big. That, or he doesn't go. It really is that simple and goes back to why I said Everton needs to add on as much as possible including a sell-on clause.
Personally, I don't want to see him sold but if Andy Carroll can go for 35M, you can bet Jack Rodwell will go for more than 20M easy.
And I do mean easy.
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Cookachoo
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Irrelevant. For a start Carroll's transfer was in January, a time when teams are in a rush to do business and no team wants to sell mid-season, so prices are typically inflated, if Rodwell were to go this summer, i think we'd do well to get £20m. Secondly, Carroll had been one of the Premier League's best strikers pre-January, cementing his place in his club team's first XI and making his England debut. All things Rodwell cannot boast, yet. In time he may come on and make himself a starter in this Everton team and then perhaps make his England debut, but till then his potential isn't being realised.
You see the likes of Henderson, Kelly and Albrighton, English youngsters all the same age as Rodwell, who have cemented themselves in the first team of their clubs. Their progress has been far more noticeable, and it won't be a surprise to see them part of the England set up in the not too distant future. Till Rodwell is a firm part of this Everton team we cannot quote £20m for him, and if we are, then no sod will be interested, because he's not a £20m player at the moment.
And with us being skint, we are in no position to negotiate for massive deals. If a top team comes in for him, he will want to go, and we're in no fit financial position to keep an unhappy £15-20m player on our books.
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See: Ozil (Real Madrid)
Just out of curiosity, why do we think that managers of the calibre of Ferguson, Ancheloti, Wenger want him badly?
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Ha ha i still laugh at some of the "Fellaini is a striker" on here and even now people wouldnt want Joey Barton.
I said in two months of watching Fellaini that he would be the best midfeilder in Europe one day - he will - but Rodwell has the talent to be better - in fact one of the best of the modern age, by the time hes 23 he will be worth 50-80 mill.
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What makes you think they want him badly ? I don't recall any of them saying they'd be interested in him, and i'd hope your not so naive to believe everything you read in the papers. Christ, any teenager who has a half-decent game these days is mentioned with the likes of City, Chelsea and Madrid.
Rodwell at the moment, is a decent player. Nothing more. And until he establishes himself a starter here, no top team will shell out big time for him. He, right now is what Smalling was to Fulham before United snapped him up. In and out of the side, doing a decent job when he plays and occasionally looking like a precocious talent. Now a team might pay £10-15m for him right now, because he could mature into a very good player. But there's no way they'll be splashing out £30m for him.
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Player Valuation: £1m
I certainly wouldn't mind if you were right, but what has he really shown to merit mention of anything close to those sums?
He's a big lad, which has seen him through the later years of youth football, and early into seniors which means he will have more time to mature and adapt into football at the top stage, but unless he is played week in week out in the next few years he won't continue to flourish and develop in the same pace. I'd say if Moyes looks to get one more season without a slot saved for Rodwell then he should be sent out on loan to one of the top Championship teams. He's occasionally shown the ability to boss the midfield but he needs to get consistent time on the pitch now.
He has a frame, but hes more then that hes an athlete he glides he doesnt pound - like a coleman, he has pace he has power - more imortantly he has vison, techinuqe and skill - not to mention he is a goal threat - he has the talent to average 15 goals a season from midfeild. In a couple of years time Jack Rodwell breaking from deep forward is going to be a thing of beauty, he is really going to hurt teams. Think his goal/game against Man U last season at home - but more centrally and more consistently.
Lets be honest hes 19, he has showen glimpses of his true talent in the game i mention above and at International level in his age group - massively impressive stuff. With any 19 year old - reaching that standard consistently every game is the challenge. Perosally i dont think Jack is a naturally confident lad, he seems a laid back personality, i think hes unsure of himself as a senior and what he is beaing asked to d rembering that its a position he hasnt been in very long. He needs to develop confidence, agression, he needs to be more tacticaly aware and he needs how to read a game better - that will come thats what coaching is all about, just as it was with Mofro - but jack is better and the god given talent he has is awsome.
I make no bones in saying he will be the best player in the counrtry in a short period of the time, i think ferguson, Wenger and Anchelloti all see it - have doen for a long time.
It oustounds me that the majority of fans cant see his talent and how precious it really is.
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Cookachoo
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I think your overplaying it slightly. You highlighted all the things he needs to add to his game, consistancy, confidence, aggression, discipline, a better reading of the game. You say it like its a formality ! He may never develop those traits, and he certainly won't if he's not playing week in week out, and this season his performances haven't warranted being in the team week in week out.
Lots and lots of young players are as good as he is at his age, some push on some just don't. Time will tell how good he turns out to be, but theres is a long long way to go. Time will tell if he' goes the Rooney way, or the Jeffers way.
Lots and lots of young players are as good as he is at his age, some push on some just don't. Time will tell how good he turns out to be, but theres is a long long way to go. Time will tell if he' goes the Rooney way, or the Jeffers way.
Because it's been speculated in the press. But I don't agree they'd be interested. Not because of the price, but because of the quality of the player.
What do you mean see Ozil Real Madrid? Ozil moved to Real after being one of the best players in the Bundesliga and then one of the stars of the WC. Rodwell's only experience of an International tournament involved one start in a dead rubber, as both teams were already through. He then played in 2 other games, for a total of less than 30 mins, in which time he was poor, gave a free kick away that led to a goal, gave the ball away which led to a goal and hardly had a kick. In 30 mins of competitive action with him playing England conceded 4 and scored zero. Yet somehow this poor showing has been ignored and a good game, in a pointless match has led you to come out with the following statement:
"I saw him play at 17 in the under 21 world cup, he was one of the best players in the torunament and that included, the likes of Ozil and much of the German team that got to the semi final of last years senior world cup."
This is why I can't get my head around the Rodwell hype. It seems people are doing anything and everything to convince themselves of his talent. I'm not trying to be provocative, but when you think about it, isn't you statement the perfect example of the ridiculous hype surrounding Rodwell? Isn't it fair to say that in the games that mattered in that tournament Rodwell played poorly and looked average at that level? With hindsight does it not seem crazy to say he was one of the best players in the tournament based on one game, in which Adam Johnson was named MOTM and England and Germany were already through? Only 8 of the 22 players who started the final, played in that game. It was a essentially a second string match.
No doubt and he does need to develop but the aspects of the game i mention can be couached the ones he pocesses cant. Im a bit astounded to be honest, that people are passing definitive judgement on a 19 year old who is finding his way in the game, im more astounded that people do not see the world class potential there.
Your right though mate time and its all about opinions, im sure people think im going over baord but i can see his talent and potential as plain as day. People are frustrated - they want signings - but its like Rooney - i would rather have a Rooney then another three of - Billy, Heitinga and Distin.
Indeed, i think you were watching a different tournament mate:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/international/article6558249.ece
So to sum up you think he is and will be an ordinary and very average player - nothing special per say?
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A 19 year old who is comfortable in 3 positions, can use both feet, is technically sound, is tall, has pace, can shoot, pass, and tackle, and is athletic but has yet to master or fulfill a potential pundits, managers and players have recognise can clearly see is probably why big teams want him.
I've said before, when he plays he doesnt look out of his depth. No one is saying he's the finished article but neither are names mentioned like Wilshire, Johnson, Albrighton etc. But what he has over those players is his adaptability. Rodwell can play Defensive midfield, central midfield and attacking midfield comfortably in the premier league. Not a master of them but he's not a passenger making up the numbers either. He can also, at a push, play a centre back. Unproven in the prem, yes, but its in his locker.
I agree he needs games and you'd probably think if he's here next season, he'd be 1st on the team sheet. But the only reason he's not getting games here is because we have Fellaini, Arteta, and Cahill who can play where he does and are experienced rounded players. IMO he should be 1st name over Cahill next season for eg. The other players mentioned like Henderson etc can be argued that they dont really have better players in their positions.
As for his price...£20million - £30million is nothing for him. You can say the situation surrounding Andy Carrol's transfer inflated the price, but to not say it wont effect the markets is a little silly. When players like Bentley, Anton Ferdinand, and most of the players that go to Man Citeh and flop are going for £15mill+ or so...it put into perspective a decent fee would be expected for a player who could world class international. If not, you've got a very good midfield player like a Gareth Barry or Scott Parker for eg on your hands.
As for Internationals....I wouldnt really look too much into them. Andy Carrol has been woeful for the under 21's when I've seen him, Wilshire's only played 7 games for them etc...so you cant really judge how good a player is at under 21 level fully IMO
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No we weren't watching a different tournament, the game in that article is the group stage one against Germany. I haven't said he'll be average, but that there is little to suggest he's worth anyhwere near £30 million or top sides will be interested. I'm still interested to know how you can ignore his performances against Sweden and Germany (in the final) and say he was one of the players of the tournament, based on a one game, which was of little consequence. Be honest, if you read someone making the a claim such as yours (ie one of the players of the tournament), would you not think it crazy? Were we watching different tournamnets or has time and bias swayed your opinion? Objectively you must acknowlege that a player who played in one meaningless game and then performed poorly in games in which we were dominated, can't be anywhere near one of the players of the tournamnet. I does my head in (not a dig at you personally) that players get hyped like this. It's feels strange to be sat here debating if a player who wasn't even a starter, other than in one game and had no impact what so ever as a sub, could be described as one of the players of the tournament. It's like the world has gone completley mad (again not meant as a dig at you).
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