Would you see Rodwell go for 30m?

[Neiler]

No we weren't watching a different tournament, the game in that article is the group stage one against Germany. I haven't said he'll be average, but that there is little to suggest he's worth anyhwere near £30 million or top sides will be interested. I'm still interested to know how you can ignore his performances against Sweden and Germany (in the final) and say he was one of the players of the tournament, based on a one game, which was of little consequence. Be honest, if you read someone making the a claim such as yours (ie one of the players of the tournament), would you not think it crazy? Were we watching different tournamnets or has time and bias swayed your opinion? Objectively you must acknowlege that a player who played in one meaningless game and then performed poorly in games in which we were dominated, can't be anywhere near one of the players of the tournamnet. I does my head in (not a dig at you personally) that players get hyped like this. It's feels strange to be sat here debating if a player who wasn't even a starter, other than in one game and had no impact what so ever as a sub, could be described as one of the players of the tournament. It's like the world has gone completley mad (again not meant as a dig at you).

Ha ha not at all mate, he was terrific whenever he played in that tournament, i thought he was prob minute for minute the best in the tournament certainly in his position - to be honest i think your wrong. Argueably Ozil came into his own from the semi onward and Berg was in with a shout, but theyhad different roles - but after watching the whole thing pound for pound at 17 i would give it to Rodwell. Im not hyping him up - im judgeing his talent - potential and development - if anything im saying how people can make a cast iron opinion of a player from 17 - 19 is just ridiculous.

Its opinion mate, there is no right or wrong when it comes to it, time will tell if your assessment is accurate.

 

[toffeebhoy]

yes but in true everton style we would see nothing for the money

 

[GrandOldTeam]

yes but in true everton style we would see nothing for the money

Dont understand comments along this nature.

Moyes has always spent any money we've took....

 

[joey55]

Ha ha not at all mate, he was terrific whenever he played in that tournament, i thought he was prob minute for minute the best in the tournament certainly in his position - to be honest i think your wrong. Argueably Ozil came into his own from the semi onward and Berg was in with a shout, but theyhad different roles - but after watching the whole thing pound for pound at 17 i would give it to Rodwell. Im not hyping him up - im judgeing his talent - potential and development - if anything im saying how people can make a cast iron opinion of a player from 17 - 19 is just ridiculous.

Its opinion mate, there is no right or wrong when it comes to it, time will tell if your assessment is accurate.

Can't say fairer than that mate.

 

[chicoazul]

 

[TX Bill]

Irrelevant. For a start Carroll's transfer was in January, a time when teams are in a rush to do business and no team wants to sell mid-season, so prices are typically inflated, if Rodwell were to go this summer, i think we'd do well to get £20m. Secondly, Carroll had been one of the Premier League's best strikers pre-January, cementing his place in his club team's first XI and making his England debut. All things Rodwell cannot boast, yet. In time he may come on and make himself a starter in this Everton team and then perhaps make his England debut, but till then his potential isn't being realised.

You see the likes of Henderson, Kelly and Albrighton, English youngsters all the same age as Rodwell, who have cemented themselves in the first team of their clubs. Their progress has been far more noticeable, and it won't be a surprise to see them part of the England set up in the not too distant future. Till Rodwell is a firm part of this Everton team we cannot quote £20m for him, and if we are, then no sod will be interested, because he's not a £20m player at the moment.

And with us being skint, we are in no position to negotiate for massive deals. If a top team comes in for him, he will want to go, and we're in no fit financial position to keep an unhappy £15-20m player on our books.

Irrelevant?

You really aren't paying attention are you? Yeah, we'll see clubs banging down the doors for those players mentioned above. No, not really. But it sounded good didn't it?

I'm still waiting for you to address the FACT that the transfer market has changed immensely over the past five plus years.

We can quote 20M quite simply because we can. I'm surprised this is lost on you.

 

[Elong]

 

[Cookachoo]

Irrelevant?

You really aren't paying attention are you? Yeah, we'll see clubs banging down the doors for those players mentioned above. No, not really. But it sounded good didn't it?

I'm still waiting for you to address the FACT that the transfer market has changed immensely over the past five plus years.

We can quote 20M quite simply because we can. I'm surprised this is lost on you.

You've been waiting for me to acknowledge that the market has changed ? In what way ? The market is forever changing and has been for decades. As the money in the game has risen, so have the transfer fee's. I don't see what bearing that has on your argument pal, but whatever helps you sleep at night....

We can quote £100m for him, doesn't mean we'll get it !. At this stage in his career, £20m is the absolute maximum we'll get for him and thats ambitious given he's hardly selling himself with his performances recently. If and when the top teams decide to come in for him, he'll want to go, no question. Once he decides to go, we'll have to sell him. Once we have to sell him, we'll have to take whatever the going rate is for him. And as i said, we're in no fit financial position to keep an unhappy £15-20m player on our books.

So we can negotiate, we can threaten to hang on to him if our valuation isn't met, and we might get a few extra million out of whoever the interested party is if we draw the process out till the end of the window, but ultimately we'll have to let him go at whatever the highest fee is at that time. And clubs aren't foolish, they know this.

I don't particularly think he'll leave yet anyway. His potential is too raw at the moment with no real end product, it wouldn't be efficient to any buyers to pay £20m for him, because he needs games to realise that talent, and as it stands he's not good enough to get in any top 6 team, as he's barely good enough to get in ours.

 

[Summerskin]

Really anonymous for me again last night, not a one pass player at the minute, he's doing more Cryuff-turns then Soft Mick.


Don't get me wrong, the lad is quality but he's been pretty poor for me the past 2/3 games.

 

[ToxtethBlue]

He had a good game against Germany in the group stage, but wasn't one of the best players at the U21's. But I made the point earlier about big ahtletic players standing out at youth tournaments. Ryan Babel was player of the tournament a couple of years ago. If you are big and strong, you have such an advantage over smaller players who will naturally sturggle to handle the physical side of the game. But at senior level, being physically adept isn't enough to stand out. So often naturally physical players break into first teams at young ages and thus it is said they have huge potential. But these players often get supassed by the more technically gifted players who start to physically mature. I watched David Silva the other day and he was sensational. But he didn't even play for Valencia in La Liga until he was nearly 22. Rodwell made his debut at 16, yet I bet even at 16 Silva had far more genuine potential, it's just he was nowhere near physical enough to play at senior level. Personally, of his age group, I think the likes of Albrighton, Walker, Smalling, Sturridge and Wilshere are all more likely to become England regulars. It might seem like I have a issue with Rodwell, but I really don't and think he looks like a good player, but I just can't get the hype. I don't even think he's in the top 5 English players aged 19-21.

That's true of some players, and Rodwell is very well off in terms of athleticism, but you have to watch the player and his style rather than judging him on his size and way way he looks. Yes, he's 6ft 2, and very athletic, but it's hardly like Micah Richards, who could bully his peers. Rodwell is very laid back and could arguably be considered lightweight for a player of his size. He doesn't 'mix it up' and boss games through sheer physicality. He may do eventually, but this area of his game is far from developed, nor is it the reason he's getting all the attention.

It doesn't take a genius to see how he controls the ball, the way he changes direction with relative ease and can shift the ball onto either foot and run at pace. That's a very unique skill, and he's easily one of the most two footed players I've seen during my time watching football. Lots of players can strike a ball with either foot, but Rodwell can do everything with either foot, and it's difficult to tell what is his strongest. I've seen quite a few games where he uses his left more than his right, it's quite freakish really. When he develops and becomes more confident, even the best defenders will struggle to control that, and as you say, he has the pace, athleticism and size to go with it.

You are comparing him to a completely different player in Silva, it's like comparing Arteta to Vieira or Keane. Who's the more technical player out of the three? As much as I rate Arteta, it's obvious to me who the better players are.

Players who can combine both physical and technical attributes are quite rare, and if they develop correctly, become very dominant players. That's why Rodwell is highly rated, people can see what he potentially has in his locker, and the things he needs to learn are areas of his game that can be improved on. Positional sense, confidence and a little bit of aggression is needed.

By his own account, Steven Gerrard was out of his depth at 18-19, and no one expected him to become the player he is today. Certainly not outside Liverpool. Youth development isn't an exact science, every player is different, and they develop at different rates.

Something you should take into account is Rodwell has been a midfielder for what, three years? It isn't a long period, and he's having to learn how to play completely different positions to the one he played up until 15-16. He hasn't had the benefit and experience of plying his trade in one position and learning the ropes. He's gone from a centre back, to a holding midfielder and now looks better off in a more attacking position behind the striker. He hasn't been a regular either, and has had a number of injuries during that time.

 

[joey55]

That's true of some players, and Rodwell is very well off in terms of athleticism, but you have to watch the player and his style rather than judging him on his size and way way he looks. Yes, he's 6ft 2, and very athletic, but it's hardly like Micah Richards, who could bully his peers. Rodwell is very laid back and could arguably be considered lightweight for a player of his size. He doesn't 'mix it up' and boss games through sheer physicality. He may do eventually, but this area of his game is far from developed, nor is it the reason he's getting all the attention.

It doesn't take a genius to see how he controls the ball, the way he changes direction with relative ease and can shift the ball onto either foot and run at pace. That's a very unique skill, and he's easily one of the most two footed players I've seen during my time watching football. Lots of players can strike a ball with either foot, but Rodwell can do everything with either foot, and it's difficult to tell what is his strongest. I've seen quite a few games where he uses his left more than his right, it's quite freakish really. When he develops and becomes more confident, even the best defenders will struggle to control that, and as you say, he has the pace, athleticism and size to go with it.

You are comparing him to a completely different player in Silva, it's like comparing Arteta to Vieira or Keane. Who's the more technical player out of the three? As much as I rate Arteta, it's obvious to me who the better players are.

Players who can combine both physical and technical attributes are quite rare, and if they develop correctly, become very dominant players. That's why Rodwell is highly rated, people can see what he potentially has in his locker, and the things he needs to learn are areas of his game that can be improved on. Positional sense, confidence and a little bit of aggression is needed.

By his own account, Steven Gerrard was out of his depth at 18-19, and no one expected him to become the player he is today. Certainly not outside Liverpool. Youth development isn't an exact science, every player is different, and they develop at different rates.

Something you should take into account is Rodwell has been a midfielder for what, three years? It isn't a long period, and he's having to learn how to play completely different positions to the one he played up until 15-16. He hasn't had the benefit and experience of plying his trade in one position and learning the ropes. He's gone from a centre back, to a holding midfielder and now looks better off in a more attacking position behind the striker. He hasn't been a regular either, and has had a number of injuries during that time.

Your talking as if I've said Rodwell isn't a good or won't be a good player. That isn't what has been said. All my points are to do with judging his value on what he has done and what he looks like he could achieve, based on what we've seen on the pitch and not based on press/fan hype. Your point about Gerrard is similar to that made about Milner earlier and the response will be the same. When Gerrard was 19, he wasn't that good and thus he wasn't touted as a £20 million+ player. So why on earth is Rodwell? The thing about Rodwell being athletic, doesn't mean to say he'd bully people, but that when playing at the age of 16/17 he had height, stamina and speed adavantages over his peers and these things help him standout. I'm not comparing him technically to Richards, but just saying physical advantages at a young age have so often caused for young players to be over hyped, even if you aren't a physcial/bulldozer type of player. And the comparison with Silva isn't in terms of style, but quality. Silva is among the top players in the world, as is Vidic, though they play totally different roles. Both are worthy of big fees and I can't say Rodwell getting to their level, yet people are talking about crazy money for him. Rodwell broke into the first team at a young age and has lots of positive quotes attributed to him, but in truth has his progress not been very slow. Is he currently better than Jamie O'Hara who would cost about £4 million? All I'm saying is the press can rave about him, fans can talk about his potential, but in reallity pro footbll scouts and managers of top clubs will only judge him on his football. I think he'll be at Everton in 3 years time, but I don't think he'll be the best player. I think he'll in or around the England squad, but I don't think he'll be a starter. This isn't influenced by rhetoric, but from what i've seen. I honestly think if a foreigner watched Everton and hadn't read a single word in the press about Rodwell and didn't know a thing about him, so judged him purely on what he saw on the pitch, then I suspect he'd think thye'd value him at about £5million at the moment.

 

[Goat]

The post starter must clearly be SunTanBob or something.

You cant put a figure on players like Rodwell, he has the talent to be whatever he wants to be, hes been played here and there this Season and hasnt really stood out, but as the main man TxB said, he has so much Class and Talent hes gonna be a beast.

No amount of money would appease me, hes simply not for sale.

 

[Jamo Martinez]

Once again TxB nails it

 

[BiggyRat]

So, according to that doyen of journalism, the Sun, he's off to Man U for 25mill.

As a selling club, we are determined to remain rooted in mediocrity.

 

[thespiritofjoeparkinson]

I would like us to keep him and build the team around him, like people have said he potentially could double in value over time especially once he gets in the England team. So no sale unless like people say he forces the move. But considering our shocking finances and the lack of money elsewhere unless we can offload some of the other dead wood in the summer, we may be forced into selling him just to give Davey any money. It's a depressing position to be in not being able to hang onto your home grown talents but its not new...