will we sell a top player

[Philw]

Howard, Hibbert, Neville no one would want unless its a promoted side.

Um, you what now?

 

[kenada_blue]

Um, you what now?

What's up with that? We aint got a good back up keeper so Howards here to stay. Non of the top 4 clubs would want him, and the ones below us have already got some quality keepers - Green, Jussi, Kirkland, Gomes, Given etc - so the only ones who'd want Howard would be teams with gash keepers ie the ones that come up from the Championship.

 

[ToxtethBlue]

If we where forced to sell someone it would have to be Joseph Yobo or Leighton Baines depending on who Moyes wants alongside Jags and Lescott at the back. They'd both raise us money and clubs would be after them.

Obviously that's if we had to sell to buy, I'm hoping it doesn't come down to that.

 

[Philw]

What's up with that? We aint got a good back up keeper so Howards here to stay. Non of the top 4 clubs would want him, and the ones below us have already got some quality keepers - Green, Jussi, Kirkland, Gomes, Given etc - so the only ones who'd want Howard would be teams with gash keepers ie the ones that come up from the Championship.

Right, so that's nine teams, plus three promoted, which makes 12. You do realise there's 20 teams in the Premier League right? By my maths that leaves 8 other teams that would be interested, and the promoted teams. And thats without debating the teams you mentioned.

 

[kenada_blue]

Right, so that's nine teams, plus three promoted, which makes 12. You do realise there's 20 teams in the Premier League right? By my maths that leaves 8 other teams that would be interested, and the promoted teams. And thats without debating the teams you mentioned.

And look at their keepers? Schwarzer, Friedel, James (15 teams), and take away the Barcodes, Boro and West Brom who are all religation fodder anyway so they wouldnt even attempt to have a go at buying him (18 teams). So that leaves Hull and Sunderland.

I'm not saying he's rubbish by saying only promoted sides would want to sign him. But by looking at us in 6th and the teams above us, they wouldnt want him, and the teams below have equally good keepers. So that leaves the promoted sides or Hull and Sunderland...but we wouldnt sell anyway. It was just a hypothetical list me old china. Howard is an equally as good a keeper as any in the prem.

 

[Cal]

One player will leave, i think thats obvious.

 

[Neiler]

Kroldrup? That affair stunk to high heaven. And I wouldn't say AJ was desperate to leave. Both of those cases were accompanied by the usual whispering campaigns so beloved of the club and it's hired hands in the local press.

Kroldrup behave Dave, AJ wanted to go hes admitted as much, nice try!

 

[davek]

Kroldrup behave Dave, AJ wanted to go hes admitted as much, nice try!

Oh that's right - it was by mutual consent after Moyes found out in training he wasn't the player he thought he was....having tracked him for two years.

"I don't really feel as if I have had the chance to prove my worth."

- Per Kroldrup, 20th January 2006.

 

[Neiler]

Oh that's right - it was by mutual consent after Moyes found out in training he wasn't the player he thought he was....having tracked him for two years.

"I don't really feel as if I have had the chance to prove my worth."

- Per Kroldrup, 20th January 2006.

And six months later the club sign Joleen Lescott, clearly someone messed up somewhere!

 

[chicoazul]

I think Neilers pulled your pants down there Dave. Thats what happens when you drift from your speciality topic.

I, as ever, remain to love you though.

 

[davek]

I think Neilers pulled your pants down there Dave. Thats what happens when you drift from your speciality topic.

I, as ever, remain to love you though.

I dont think that's right. Neiler's point was that no player under Moyes has had to be sold. Leaving the murkiness of the Rooney sale out of the equation, you'd be hard pressed to defend a position that Everton - that's the Everton of low net spend - haven't 'managed' their own transfer budget in Moyes time in charge by 'recycling' players who would have been just as happy to stay and fight for their place. Moyes has been party to that too, it's not just down to the board.

 

[kenada_blue]

I think Neiler's talking about players havent been forced out so we could buy others. Apart from the Rooney sale (who wasnt kicking and screaming his way to Old Trafford now was he), we havent really forced any player out to generate funds. When we bought Yak, Baines and Jags 2 seasons ago for around £20mill we only sold Beattie for about £6-7mill (you could say a straight swap for Jags really). That could've been more if the Fernandes transfer went through, (but I dont think Yak would be here).

I'm sure AJ would've still been here if he didnt want to go. While we wanted the cash, I'm sure the decision was down to AJ than Moyes or the board - ie Fulham offered £13mill, AJ was asked if he wanted to go, he said yeah. He wasnt pushed. Same with McFadden. I'm sure Jimmy said that Moyes couldnt promise him 1st team footy so he wanted to go.

So other than that....I cant think of any other players we've sold on who wasnt either shiite or wanted to go so we could make some change.

 

[davek]

I think Neiler's talking about players havent been forced out so we could buy others. Apart from the Rooney sale (who wasnt kicking and screaming his way to Old Trafford now was he), we havent really forced any player out to generate funds. When we bought Yak, Baines and Jags 2 seasons ago for around £20mill we only sold Beattie for about £6-7mill (you could say a straight swap for Jags really). That could've been more if the Fernandes transfer went through, (but I dont think Yak would be here).

I'm sure AJ would've still been here if he didnt want to go. While we wanted the cash, I'm sure the decision was down to AJ than Moyes or the board - ie Fulham offered £13mill, AJ was asked if he wanted to go, he said yeah. He wasnt pushed. Same with McFadden. I'm sure Jimmy said that Moyes couldnt promise him 1st team footy so he wanted to go.

So other than that....I cant think of any other players we've sold on who wasnt either shiite or wanted to go so we could make some change.

You have to look at it objectively, though, and not get caught up in the personalities and the media spin placed on players emotions. Last summer was as clear a case of selling one player to buy another as you could find. The Rooney money was used to buy other players. During Moyes' reign he's had to makes sure player turnover was part and parcel of his squad building. I'm not saying it's as bad as the last years of Walter Smith, just that the mentality has never fully gone away.

 

[kenada_blue]

You have to look at it objectively, though, and not get caught up in the personalities and the media spin placed on players emotions. Last summer was as clear a case of selling one player to buy another as you could find. The Rooney money was used to buy other players. During Moyes' reign he's had to makes sure player turnover was part and parcel of his squad building. I'm not saying it's as bad as the last years of Walter Smith, just that the mentality has never fully gone away.

I understand that. But selling someone like AJ was more like cutting a toe off than a whole leg - and we got a ridiculous amount of money for that toe.

But I feel the way the squad is at the moment, selling a top player from a squad that is already small doenst make much sense. I think we've filtered out the shiite and have a 1st 11 that would have a go at any team in the premiership. Take away a key player, the wheels come off a little.

Its like the Arteta rumours every year, especially this year when we needed a striker. What would be the point in selling Arteta for a stiker when he wouldnt get the service? That's the way the squad is now IMO. There's only Ossie, Baines, Anichebe, Vaughan, VDM, we could sell - make a average amount of money out of - that wouldn't balls the team up.

The top players we have are worth a high price. To get a replacement or another player in you would have to use all that money. Its like buying a Porsche, selling it for more than you bought it, then buying the same Porsche for the money you got.

I agree and I wouldnt be surprised if we did sell a top player though. I'd just find it odd unless Moyes has a magic idea to make it all logical.

 

[bobbyrob]

To Go Victor,Osman,Vdm if there is any takers