Who has done more damage to Everton FC?

[Kantareller]

Where is the Sigurdsson option

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

Under Moshiri we're a noting failure of a club that never wins anything, loses every truly big game we play and is perpetually mid-table mediocrity.

Prior to him taking over we were a nothing faliure of a club that never wins anything, loses every truly big game we play that was perpetually mid-table mediocrity.

Please explain how Moshiri has done any real damage to the club? If anything, he's just helped continue the clubs fine tradition of the last near thirty years of being total and utter toilet.

Kenwight on the other hand, has been involved in this club since 89. He became the second largest shareholder in 99 then the largest shareholder and chairman in 2004. The only things he's achieved in all this time is making Evertonians accept this endless run of failure he's overseen and utterly convincing a great chunk of the fanbase that he's some sort of saviour and totally blameless for everything that's wrong with the club. He stands alone as the biggest faliure in the clubs entire history.

Kenwight might not be the only one to blame for our current plight (don't worry, there's plenty of blame to go around!) but he so clearly and blatantly done more damage to the club then Moshiri that it's incredible that anyone would even think otherwise.

 

[Khalekan]

Simple Poll:

Moshiri:

Investment aside, and a very big 'aside' we're languishing near the bottom of the league, on our 4th manager in 4 years under Moshiri and overseen the Steve Walsh era, hes appointed Marcel Brands and Marco Silva.

Kenwright:

20 years of failure, asset stripping. Failed ground moves, numerous failed investment opportunities, star players sold to manage debt. Arguably the finest example modern day failure as a chairman.

Neither of those two inflicted the damage Peter Johnson did.

 

[Cameron Manning]

Oh I totally understand, I just think it's a really weird thing to question! It's proper conspiracy theory stuff this!

Conspiracy? He’s either been going all these years, which I doubt,see his story about going to Anfield as a kid, or he he hasn’t.

 

[Norwegian Cow]

why has the thread title a negative point of view? How about; Who has done most good for Everton: Kenwright or Moshiri ?

 

[msb]

I don't understand the requirement for this continual self-flagellation.

We are where we are, no amount of pseudo-angst about who did what will change anything. Honestly we are better than this.

 

[Papa Shango]

Conspiracy? He’s either been going all these years, which I doubt,see his story about going to Anfield as a kid, or he he hasn’t.

Loads of people went to both grounds back then though.

It sounds like a conspiracy theory because you are basically plucking stuff out of thin air. There is zero reason to doubt it unless you are trying to find a narrative that doesn't exist.

 

[davids]

Conspiracy? He’s either been going all these years, which I doubt,see his story about going to Anfield as a kid, or he he hasn’t.

My first game was the other lot Birmingham City think they won 4-1 on a Wednesday night. Went in the boys pen to see us v Blackpool and I was hooked. Still went with some mates who I attended Gwladys St School with to the odd game in their version of the boys pen...so what? You really have an odd thought process when it comes to Kenwright.

 

[Papa Shango]

Under Moshiri we're a noting failure of a club that never wins anything, loses every truly big game we play and is perpetually mid-table mediocrity.

Prior to him taking over we were a nothing faliure of a club that never wins anything, loses every truly big game we play that was perpetually mid-table mediocrity.

Please explain how Moshiri has done any real damage to the club? If anything, he's just helped continue the clubs fine tradition of the last near thirty years of being total and utter toilet.

Kenwight on the other hand, has been involved in this club since 89. He became the second largest shareholder in 99 then the largest shareholder and chairman in 2004. The only things he's achieved in all this time is making Evertonians accept this endless run of failure he's overseen and utterly convincing a great chunk of the fanbase that he's some sort of saviour and totally blameless for everything that's wrong with the club. He stands alone as the biggest faliure in the clubs entire history.

Kenwight might not be the only one to blame for our current plight (don't worry, there's plenty of blame to go around!) but he so clearly and blatantly done more damage to the club then Moshiri that it's incredible that anyone would even think otherwise.

Not one person thinks he is some sort of savior.

Like literally not one.

Some of us just don't see him as some evil tyrant either. Bog average chairman for me which seems to mean I love him or something.

 

[Cameron Manning]

My first game was the other lot Birmingham City think they won 4-1 on a Wednesday night. Went in the boys pen to see us v Blackpool and I was hooked. Still went with some mates who I attended Gwladys St School with to the odd game in their version of the boys pen...so what? You really have an odd thought process when it comes to Kenwright.

So what? You went with your mates didn’t you, who did Billy go with?

 

[davids]

So what? You went with your mates didn’t you, who did Billy go with?

Maybe his mates the same as I did? Or do you have a more sinister explanation?

 

[Cameron Manning]

Loads of people went to both grounds back then though.

It sounds like a conspiracy theory because you are basically plucking stuff out of thin air. There is zero reason to doubt it unless you are trying to find a narrative that doesn't exist.

Pap, I went to both grounds for forty odd years,I’m not questioning Billy going to Anfield, if he actually went, I’m laughing at the idea, which Billy himself said happened, of soft lad gettingpassed UP the kop

 

[Cameron Manning]

Maybe his mates the same as I did? Or do you have a more sinister explanation?

Sinister? No, do you. Funny though he never mentions his mates when he talks about going in the boy’s pen, it came naturally to you. Stop this Davids, you’ve got me feeling sorry for Billy Boy now, maybe he was Billy No Mates. I’m nearly in tears here, thanks to you.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

Not one person thinks he is some sort of savior.

Like literally not one.

Some of us just don't see him as some evil tyrant either. Bog average chairman for me which seems to mean I love him or something.

There's plenty of people who seem to think he's a saviour and above criticism. I sit near a few of them in the Gwladys and I know a few lads I work with who think the same. They won't hear a single word againt him.

I never said he was an evil tyrant anyway, I simply pointed out that he's blatantly done more damage to Everton football club then Moshiri and is the worst chairman in the clubs history. Both statements are true and the facts back them up.

 

[Papa Shango]

There's plenty of people who seem to think he's a saviour and above criticism. I sit near a few of them in the Gwladys and I know a few lads I work with who think the same. They won't hear a single word againt him.

I never said he was an evil tyrant anyway, I simply pointed out that he's blatantly done more damage to Everton football club then Moshiri and is the worst chairman in the clubs history. Both statements are true and the stats back them up.

Well hes not really though is he because we have been relegated in the past (though I don't know if club chairman was a thing back then as such). And nobody is worse than Johnson. Yeah we won the FA cup with him but that does't make up for everything else that happened under him.

What damage has been done realistically anyway? We were fighting relegation more often than not before he took over. We had been crap for years before he took control (though he was still on the board as you mentioned so can shoulder some of that blame).

We have been a bog average top flight team since around 1989. We may have been staggeringly dull and average but we have not been damaged either.