What's the plan?

[Deco]

Add Giroud to the squad and the plan was clear. Without him or someone of that style, and the plan is completely out the window.

Koeman and Walsh have to realise this and it's a huge test of their true worth. We need to change from the style we were aiming for.

To do that we need to completely scrap the target man style unless things aren't working out and then we'd switch to it and bring on Dom.

I'd personally say that we need Lookman starting at this point. That burst of speed and unpredictability is something we obviously lack. Ideally Vlasic slots right him as he can play a similar role and compete with Lookman for it.

Sandro might have been very poor against Chelsea but let's not overlook his talent. I'd go with this personally:

Pickford

Martina Keane Jagielka Baines

Klaassen Gueye/Morgan

Lookman Rooney Gylfi

Sandro


Get the ball moving quickly and test the keeper at every opportunity.

 

[gonetomorrow]

When's Oumar coming on?

 

[OnlyBlueWillDo]

That's mentioned in the first post - both Walsh and Koeman have achieved a definable style of football elsewhere. The discussion here is not about entertainment, or whether it is perfunctory, or exciting - just whether it can be identified as anything at all.

My point was that many in here say we will be playing dull football under him, he didn't play like that at Soton, and whatever the style was there I would be more than happy with that at Everton, high pressing attacking football.

 

[jceverton]

Good post mert.

Plus points of the current side:
- We're solid defensively
- Er...
- ....erm
- ....um.

Here's a fun article showing how by just about every single metric, we're big outliers as one of the worst attacking teams in the league, and our actual goals scored (which is still pretty crap) has been overperforming:

http://www.justashittyfootballclub....king-efficiency-the-perfect-attacking-metric/

Here's the TL;DR graph at the end of it (all the metrics are explained in the article):

Note how well grouped the rest of the top 7 (apart from Chelsea) are, and also note just how HUGE outliers we are in terms of numbers rather than just position on the table. We are total turd right now to the point where if this doesn't change, Koeman will be gone before the end of the season. It might change, of course (it bloody better) - Sigurddsson, Vlasic, Sandro, Klaassen, Lookman could all start flying, and 3 games is a small sample size - but that's where we are right now. We're not doing 'okay' - we're DREADFUL.

Weeeeeeee

Edit: here's another simpler look at it:



In this case, 'good' chances means chances with a historical 8% or higher conversion rate

Bleak reading those stats but a reflection of what we've seen on the pitch.

 

[Scouse]

But you see, the thing is mein frandel

Pickford
Keane
Williams
Jagielka (Lennon)
Holgate
Davies (Besic)
Gueye
Baines
Rooney
Sigurdsson
Ramírez (DCL)

Not a lot of Martinez buys in that starting eleven. The best two Martinez buys (Barry and Lukaku) have been sold over the summer. Koeman had much of his better periods last season playing the exact same formation as Martinez.

By January, we'll have played most if not all of the group games, league cup games, and what, 19 league games? Bit late for banking on that by then.

Ok tell everyone to pack up and go home, there's no point to anything anymore. Free bleach for everyone CHEERS!!!

 

[orly]

Ok tell everyone to pack up and go home, there's no point to anything anymore. Free bleach for everyone CHEERS!!!

??????????????

Not really. It's an overview of current state of play and predicted direction of travel if we carry on the same way.

But Koeman / Walsh might take the same approach that Conte did; massive change of formation and style of play and changed the way things were going.

 

[Blue Magic]

Add Giroud to the squad and the plan was clear. Without him or someone of that style, and the plan is completely out the window.

Koeman and Walsh have to realise this and it's a huge test of their true worth. We need to change from the style we were aiming for.

To do that we need to completely scrap the target man style unless things aren't working out and then we'd switch to it and bring on Dom.

I'd personally say that we need Lookman starting at this point. That burst of speed and unpredictability is something we obviously lack. Ideally Vlasic slots right him as he can play a similar role and compete with Lookman for it.

Sandro might have been very poor against Chelsea but let's not overlook his talent. I'd go with this personally:

Pickford

Martina Keane Jagielka Baines

Klaassen Gueye/Morgan

Lookman Rooney Gylfi

Sandro


Get the ball moving quickly and test the keeper at every opportunity.

I agree. I think there's more to Sandro than we've had a chance to see so far. He scored 14 league goals in 30 appearances for Malaga last season and he has played for Barcelona's first team when he was 19/20. Hopefully when he settles in he'll do well. Lookman's pace is also going to be needed this season given how lacking we are in that respect elsewhere.

 

[orly]

My point was that many in here say we will be playing dull football under him, he didn't play like that at Soton, and whatever the style was there I would be more than happy with that at Everton, high pressing attacking football.

With stronger results against top 6 sides. It's why the current malaise is so odd.

 

[Toast]

Add Giroud to the squad and the plan was clear. Without him or someone of that style, and the plan is completely out the window.

Koeman and Walsh have to realise this and it's a huge test of their true worth. We need to change from the style we were aiming for.

To do that we need to completely scrap the target man style unless things aren't working out and then we'd switch to it and bring on Dom.

I'd personally say that we need Lookman starting at this point. That burst of speed and unpredictability is something we obviously lack. Ideally Vlasic slots right him as he can play a similar role and compete with Lookman for it.

Sandro might have been very poor against Chelsea but let's not overlook his talent. I'd go with this personally:

Pickford

Martina Keane Jagielka Baines

Klaassen Gueye/Morgan

Lookman Rooney Gylfi

Sandro


Get the ball moving quickly and test the keeper at every opportunity.

Agree completely.
Bloody shame a proper centre forward isn't getting on the end of Gylfi's crosses though innit.

 

[MikeH72]

Until we have cleared out every single player from the Moyes and Martinez eras, we will always have a crap record away to the top 6.

 

[efcjames]

Until we have cleared out every single player from the Moyes and Martinez eras, we will always have a crap record away to the top 6.

I'd keep a few from the Moyes era tbh

 

[Deco]

I agree. I think there's more to Sandro than we've had a chance to see so far. He scored 14 league goals in 30 appearances for Malaga last season and he has played for Barcelona's first team when he was 19/20. Hopefully when he settles in he'll do well. Lookman's pace is also going to be needed this season given how lacking we are in that respect elsewhere.

For sure. As a fanbase we write players off too easily.

Sandro would've joined Atletico if it wasn't for their ban - he's a great player and maybe we'll be better off playing to his strengths than this slow style we use.

Agree completely.
Bloody shame a proper centre forward isn't getting on the end of Gylfi's crosses though innit.

If only we had Giroud up top

 

[Scouse]

??????????????

Not really. It's an overview of current state of play and predicted direction of travel if we carry on the same way.

But Koeman / Walsh might take the same approach that Conte did; massive change of formation and style of play and changed the way things were going.

Oh in that case, yes, I agree, they might. But then they might not, so I'm not sure.

Tell you what, I'll go and work on a graph and get back to you x

 

[MikeH72]

I'd keep a few from the Moyes era tbh

Coleman would be the only one. Times have moved on, so should we.

 

[efcjames]

Coleman would be the only one. Times have moved on, so should we.

Baines has still got it