What is truly wrong with the club?

[goodisonopheliac]

The club is a car crash from week to week -headlines for the wrong reasons. I don,t know about others but this 20 years plus of us being in a football desert with not a cup to show for it has worn me down.

Hanging on by my fingernails hoping that when Bill goes he will take the curse with him and we can start to enjoy Saturday afternoons and nights.

Any chance we can hire the Ex SAS team from Ch4 Who Dares Wins to run the fitness sessions every day at Finch Farm. I,d pay to watch in person at the training ground then the garbage we get at the weekend.

Do they know anything about football though? I mean, forcing the entire team to do a million press-ups and calling them maggots is all very well but we need tactical knowledge too.

 

[toffee-L]

Koeman and Martinez have done some damage all right. I never really paid much attention to all the 'Ron cares more about his golf handicap than EFC' comments at the time, but they were basically right in hindsight. No way does a calamity like this season creep up on you unless you're extremely disengaged from your role.

7th last season was comfy but a close look at the squad, esp the defence, should have rung alarm bells. Lukaku getting on his bike didn't help, besides the obv loss of the player it possibly obscured deeper problems. We were in fact far more likely to fall back than break the top six unless significant re-building took place, and even if that had been done right it would prob have led to another 7th place season, but in good shape to properly move up. Instead, poor recruitment [bad players, inappropriate players, no players at all backing up key positions] and a failure to respond to adversity from the manager and some of the shitehouses on the park have created the atrocity which confronts us all every weekend.

It's depressing because yo-yoing around like this makes it impossible to build a football team.

Agreed with every word mate. Our next managerial appointment is quite simply one of the most important decisions the club has ever made (I know we say that about every appointment but this really is that severe). I think this season has been an eye opener for everyone that if we don't appoint the right manager and we are lazy on player recruitment we could, and quite feasibly, go down.

The most depressing thing by a mile however is the amount of money we've haemorrhaged to go backwards. We were genuinely a more competent club, and better run, when we didn't have a pot to piss in. It seems the arrival of some money has brought with a negligence that those upstairs feel like as long as they are splashing the cash then the club will be in good health and the fans would be satisfied. I hope people like Farhad Moshiri and Steve Walsh have learned some very important lessons from this season.

 

[D410]

Do they know anything about football though? I mean, forcing the entire team to do a million press-ups and calling them maggots is all very well but we need tactical knowledge too.

Leadership, Pride, Integrity and graft ...no much to ask for from 11 blokes who care more about there next sports car than what happens at 3 o'clock. Tactics mean nothing if the players do what they want in the game, which is pretty much is what,s going on every week as we have no leaders on the pitch who play by example and bring the rest with them.

 

[Osamabindiesel]

I think the arrivals of Sigurdsson and Rooney really hurt the team. We can probably get past that, but they were the high profile signings in the summer. As such, they were kinda forced into lineups and we were never really able to find an identity as a team. We have no idea who our playmaker is. For some damned reason, Koeman and co. decided if we couldn't get a striker in the window, that Rooney could still play a striker role. You also have to look at the likes of Morgan Schneiderlin. His heart just isn't in it anymore for whatever reason. We might as well be playing with 10 me when he is on the pitch.

 

[goodisonopheliac]

Leadership, Pride, Integrity and graft ...no much to ask for from 11 blokes who care more about there next sports car than what happens at 3 o'clock. Tactics mean nothing if the players do what they want in the game, which is pretty much is what,s going on every week as we have no leaders on the pitch who play by example and bring the rest with them.

If SAS officers work so well in the modern game, then why are the big clubs not hiring them? Man City didn't hire SAS officers. Neither did Mourinho, Klopp, Zidane, Shankly, Ferguson, Wenger, Pochettino...they're just playing football, they're not going to be running around in an Iraqi desert dodging bombs and killing people. Hell, perhaps Allardyce should mimic Battle Royale, give the entire squad weapons and tell them to kill each other. Rooney gets an AK-47, Williams gets a pan lid.

Pride doesn't mean squat. This is not the 60s. Football is just a job to these players and no-one cares about loyalty, integrity or playing for the shirt. Barkley is proof of that. If integrity mattered, Allardyce and Abramovic wouldn't have jobs.

And what have we got to be proud of? Our wooden stadium? Not winning a cup since 1995? Bill Kenwright? Ashley Williams?

 

[D410]

If SAS officers work so well in the modern game, then why are the big clubs not hiring them? Man City didn't hire SAS officers. Neither did Mourinho, Klopp, Zidane, Shankly, Ferguson, Wenger, Pochettino...they're just playing football, they're not going to be running around in an Iraqi desert dodging bombs and killing people.

Pride doesn't mean squat. This is not the 60s. Football is just a job to these players and no-one cares about loyalty or playing for the shirt. Barkley is proof of that. And what have we got to be proud of? Our wooden stadium? Not winning a cup since 1995? Bill Kenwright? Ashley Williams?

Actually that EX-SBS team run team building sessions for business - there,s an idea team building...imagine that instead of waiting for one of players to kick someone, to get the crowd going who get the team going.

 

[goodisonopheliac]

And how do they do that? Make them do assault courses and stuff?

Again, do top managers employ soldiers to train their players?

 

[D410]

And how do they do that? Make them do assault courses and stuff?

Again, do top managers employ soldiers to train their players?

Top managers get sacked all the time mate because the players just down tools - nothing to do with tactics.

 

[deipnosophist]

Phil (“yes, definitely”) Jagielka is an astonishingly useless captain.
He sums up Everton

 

[Igrok]

Voodoo curse of 72points worshippers...

 

[Saint Domingo]

If SAS officers work so well in the modern game, then why are the big clubs not hiring them? Man City didn't hire SAS officers. Neither did Mourinho, Klopp, Zidane, Shankly, Ferguson, Wenger, Pochettino...they're just playing football, they're not going to be running around in an Iraqi desert dodging bombs and killing people. Hell, perhaps Allardyce should mimic Battle Royale, give the entire squad weapons and tell them to kill each other. Rooney gets an AK-47, Williams gets a pan lid.

Pride doesn't mean squat. This is not the 60s. Football is just a job to these players and no-one cares about loyalty, integrity or playing for the shirt. Barkley is proof of that. If integrity mattered, Allardyce and Abramovic wouldn't have jobs.

And what have we got to be proud of? Our wooden stadium? Not winning a cup since 1995? Bill Kenwright? Ashley Williams?

‘Pride doesn’t mean squat’

 

[goodisonopheliac]

Not to the current lot it doesn't. Ferguson and Cahill were in a league of their own. I think Ferguson genuinely loves us and always has, and Cahill's got a place in his heart for us, but the current squad mainly aren't arsed. It's just a job. And Ferguson was in a cup winning team. He has something to be proud of.

Speaking of Jags, maybe the SAS should kidnap him and make the rest of the squad find him.

 

[Darren Higgs]

Where to start

Koeman was a poor choice based on the request of the thickest player in the squad.
Last summer started well until the uneccessary signings of Rooney and sigy neither was required as at the time we had secured Klaassenn ( who hasnt had a fair crack) and Barkley, Davies and Dowell as back up options.

We signed sandro who had played as an inside forward for his previous club who played passing football and expected him to play as a 9 in a direct ball team.

The manager wanted to play direct ball with out having the players for it.

As a club we are to sentimental with ageing players. Jags and baines should be nowhere near the team now. A lb should have been a top priority in the summer as should a left sided cb due to the injury to funes mori.

We should have cleared the deck in the sunmer with a number of playes who are not going to play ( mirallas, besic, niasse ) as by having a massive squad you are going to have unhappy players especially in a cup year.

I expect half the squad are unhappy about how we are trying to play and the other half not happy because they cant get a look in.

An to be fair we have had bad luck regarding injuries to players.

 

[COYBL25]

From an outsider looking in, so obviously I don't know the personalities and the experience and mindset of the people running the club like you do, but the problem is at the very top.

And until that is changed, there will be no significant change. And it looks to me like there are too many cooks. Cos again, as an outider looking in, I have no clue who runs your club? Is it Moshiri, is it Kenwright? Who signs off on the tranfers? Who makes the final decision on transfers, is it Walsh, or is it the manager? Does Everton have a designated CEO? Cos if they don't, they surely need one. You need a competent chief, who oversees those below him, you need a structure from CEO on down. So there is no doubt who runs the club.

All of this, plus Moshiri needs to get rid of the Kenwright " boys pen " dewey eyed brigade, that`s stopping the club from moving forward and keeping the likes of Elstone in a job.

The club needs ripping out from top to bottom, without sentimentality and this isn`t going to happen whilst Kenwright and co are is weeping faux tears into their royal blue hankies.

I would hope against hope that Moshiri hasn`t got to be as rich as he is, without being a ruthless and shrewd man and behind the scenes is preparing for the day when he has a free reign to move the club forwards.

Whilst Kenwright et al remain at the club, we`ll remain wedded to the past and with a continuing small time mentality.

 

[Berenger]

All of the above but the core is the lack of long-term vision in the boardroom for the footballing part of the club. It’s not enough to have plans for a new stadium and think that covers it. Steve Walsh is neither an analyst nor a strategist. That has led to really poor player recruitment and jumping between management styles to try to patch up recruitment errors.