Was Dunc right for hooking Kean?

[Deleted member 38674]

In our last 20 outings at OT we've got points from (including yesterday) 6. 5 of those were draws. Why would you demand a once in over a decade result from a severely depleted side with a caretaker manager?

There is an argument that, of those last 20 outings, this is United's worst side and Everton's best side - man for man.

You could argue it was our best opportunity to win at Old Trafford in decades. Of course, I wouldn't have placed that expectation on them but I didn't feel inferior to that United side yesterday.

 

[Bluerover]

Final 4 minutes away at United when it's 1-1 and you're under the cosh are actually quite important mate. It's not like we were home and dry. You can dress it up all you like but Ferguson did what he felt he needed to do to see out the game.

I have seen far too many times where Everton have conceded late to lose precious points. Dunc did what he thought necessary to avoid allowing United to get s winner.

If I was looking at the same situation, knowing what he does, I probably would have done the same.

I remember we had a breaking attack on the left and I was looking to see who was moving into the danger area to finish a cross. Kean was well behind the play.

Off pace physically and mentally in my view.

We needed total effort snd concentration to sed that out.

 

[blue to the bone]

I'd been waiting for Dave to pour petrol on this fire.

Stunning. Everything I expected. The true GOAT.

Took him 24 hours though.
Disappointing that

 

[trueblue84]

That;s the 6th time in our last 20 at Old Trafford that we've come away with a point. Given that history and the squad available on the day, I'd havbe taken that before kick off.

It is not United under alex ferguson. They are beatable. To go there with that mentality is poor. We may as well just take Moyes back now.

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

There is an argument that, of those last 20 outings, this is United's worst side and Everton's best side - man for man.

You could argue it was our best opportunity to win at Old Trafford in decades. Of course, I wouldn't have placed that expectation on them but I didn't feel inferior to that United side yesterday.

Look at this way, if somebody told an hour before kick off that Tom Davies was going to get himself booked after 5 minutes, that Mason Holgate would be lining up as our DM and that Leighton Baines would be on for 60 minutes in addition to missing the players we are... Would you have taken a draw?

 

[Bluerover]

There is an argument that, of those last 20 outings, this is United's worst side and Everton's best side - man for man.

You could argue it was our best opportunity to win at Old Trafford in decades. Of course, I wouldn't have placed that expectation on them but I didn't feel inferior to that United side yesterday.

Maybe their worst side, but one that beat City away last time out.

An Everton team coming to play anyone at Goodison after a win at the tin mine would be expected to perform with a very high momentum.

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

It is not United under alex ferguson. They are beatable. To go there with that mentality is poor. We may as well just take Moyes back now.

I agree with your analysis of United but we were missing 4 players even from last weekends squad and lost another during the game. We have a caretaker manager who's been in post for 10 days. That has to temper expectations somewhat.

 

[Lanolin]

There is an argument that, of those last 20 outings, this is United's worst side and Everton's best side - man for man.

You could argue it was our best opportunity to win at Old Trafford in decades. Of course, I wouldn't have placed that expectation on them but I didn't feel inferior to that United side yesterday.

There's also got to be an argument that we have never been closer to the bottom of the table in those 20 meetings, and that with that in mind, what the team theoretically looks like - man for man - is irrelevant.

 

[Yarrgh]

I'm biting...

It's a point at OT. So 'kin what?

It's one more point than I thought we'd get. Caretaker manager in his first attempt at managing at any level (let alone Premier League levels) with a set of players that previously to Silva's departure, looked like a bunch of ****houses.

This football served up is utter slop.

He's produced meat and potatoes with the same ingredients that the previous incumbents turned into slop. It might not be the beautiful game, but I for one recognise the need for hard work, organisation, determination and clear effective game plans to get points on the board. It ain't glamorous, but I don't see any other manager in the world producing more than what Ferguson has done with what he has in the time he has done it.

If they make this galoot the manager we are completely screwed.

I don't even think this is on the cards. If it is, it'll be because he has turned us around. If he has done that, then he has earned it, and I for one would prefer that outcome than going in for the likes of Martinez, Moyes, Marco or Moonhead, who all had flaws that didn't permit them to manage us consistently into Europe (and beyond/ trophies). As for totally screwed, if by that you mean, hard to beat and non-inspired, then well we've been screwed for most of the last 30 odd years, we're going to be screwed for more if we rush into getting an unsuitable manager in. Ferguson might not be Simeone, but he might well have some of the characteristics that made Simeone so successful as a coach - pigheaded toughness and unrelenting intensity - and that over a season would get us into Europe with a fit first team of decent quality.

 

[ADT]

Look, it would have been the wrong decision if he wasn't blowing out his arse after 10 mins and if had been performing well and taking his chance. But he wasn't. And he hasn't been. He's obviously not put the work in under Silva which could explain his lack of fitness. If this doesn't give him the kick up the arse that he needs to kick on with his career here and it really does "end" his Everton career and he goes on a big sulk like some wet wipes are suggesting, then he can get to fkuck we don't need another mirallas.

 

[davek]

He changed his formation to 4-5-1 and wanted to close the space centrally. At the same time, he wanted a backroom threat, and thought Kean would provide it. In my opinion, correctly considered, but should perhaps come sooner.

So made a mistake to correct?

 

[trueblue84]

I agree with your analysis of United but we were missing 4 players even from last weekends squad and lost another during the game. We have a caretaker manager who's been in post for 10 days. That has to temper expectations somewhat.

We are being talked about as "little old everton" again by the media. They are happy that we are back in our box, winning the odd game against a big side but not rocking the boat too much. It was backs to the wall against an "ok" united team.

The concern I have is that the media and our fans could push the club to appoint Ferguson permenantly, which would be a disaster. We were told we would act fast to appoint a new manager and it is now looking like it won't happen before January.

 

[Deleted member 38674]

Look at this way, if somebody told an hour before kick off that Tom Davies was going to get himself booked after 5 minutes, that Mason Holgate would be lining up as our DM and that Leighton Baines would be on for 60 minutes in addition to missing the players we are... Would you have taken a draw?

I would have taken a draw even without knowing all that. Though I do think a point flattered them more than us. We shouldn't be going to Old Trafford anymore thinking a point is a good result - same could probably be said of the Emirates and maybe even Stamford Bridge. The only grounds where a point is a very good result is Anfield and the Emirates.

But if someone had told me before kick off that we would win, it wouldn't have surprised me in the slightest. They are not the United of old, that's clear. So comparing this occasion to playing the United from 1999-2013 isn't really the same as those United sides were chasing down all the top honours - this one won't get near them.

Maybe their worst side, but one that beat City away last time out.

Wolves and Palace have done a job on City at the Etihad in the last 12 months. This is a league where pretty much any team can go away to a top team and get a result with the right system, hard work and a bit of luck.

 

[davek]

I'm biting...


It's one more point than I thought we'd get. Caretaker manager in his first attempt at managing at any level (let alone Premier League levels) with a set of players that previously to Silva's departure, looked like a bunch of ****houses.


He's produced meat and potatoes with the same ingredients that the previous incumbents turned into slop. It might not be the beautiful game, but I for one recognise the need for hard work, organisation, determination and clear effective game plans to get points on the board. It ain't glamorous, but I don't see any other manager in the world producing more than what Ferguson has done with what he has in the time he has done it.


I don't even think this is on the cards. If it is, it'll be because he has turned us around. If he has done that, then he has earned it, and I for one would prefer that outcome than going in for the likes of Martinez, Moyes, Marco or Moonhead, who all had flaws that didn't permit them to manage us consistently into Europe (and beyond/ trophies). As for totally screwed, if by that you mean, hard to beat and non-inspired, then well we've been screwed for most of the last 30 odd years, we're going to be screwed for more if we rush into getting an unsuitable manager in. Ferguson might not be Simeone, but he might well have some of the characteristics that made Simeone so successful as a coach - pigheaded toughness and unrelenting intensity - and that over a season would get us into Europe with a fit first team of decent quality.

I think this board are full of it. They'll see it as saving money...false economy...and it'll set us back a decade in terms of football played.

 

[davek]

Oh no the football is slop 4 points from 2 games that we were basically written off in, did you actually prefer it under silva when we were tapping it around but getting beat? 4-4-2 and hoof it when we need to will do me any time if its getting points on the board nothing concerns me about performance, style or how the football looks as long as the points are coming.

Imagine years of that 'kin crap like yesteday?