VAR - the death of football (as I know it)

[IllinoisBlue]

Just curious - does this get displayed on the screens at the game as they are doing the reviews?

 

[Abraders]

I don't see how VAR would ever work in terms of penalties.

We've had video for years and years, and yet it doesn't matter how many angles you see or how many times you see it - majority of the time the entire world has split opinions on the decision.

Calvert-Lewin at Anfield for example, it was a definite penalty for me... but for Joe down the block it's not. Vice versa on the lpool penalty vs us in the FA cup.

VAR works for offsides to a degree, sure. But how does it help if the ref wrongly calls an offside very quickly before your chance is able to be converted?

 

[newton-stewart-blues]

Knew it...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42727331

VAR is a complete shambles and should be nowhere near the game.

 

[gonetomorrow]

The only VAR I'm interested in is Jamie Vardy. Come to Goodison!

 

[Boba Fret]

I don't see how VAR would ever work in terms of penalties.

We've had video for years and years, and yet it doesn't matter how many angles you see or how many times you see it - majority of the time the entire world has split opinions on the decision.

Calvert-Lewin at Anfield for example, it was a definite penalty for me... but for Joe down the block it's not. Vice versa on the lpool penalty vs us in the FA cup.

VAR works for offsides to a degree, sure. But how does it help if the ref wrongly calls an offside very quickly before your chance is able to be converted?

Interesting points you have raised, but it is not the bloke down the streets opinion it is the opinion of a paid official.

With regards to the offside if it is tight play should continue and if a goal is scored he can ask for a review before awarding.

My only request is that it is used sparingly as it is now abused in Rugby Union.

 

[Abraders]

Knew it...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42727331

VAR is a complete shambles and should be nowhere near the game.

Shearer is a massive beaut and that's a dive to me. Looks down, drags his leg and 'feels the contact'.

 

[Abraders]

Interesting points you have raised, but it is not the bloke down the streets opinion it is the opinion of a paid official.

With regards to the offside if it is tight play should continue and if a goal is scored he can ask for a review before awarding.

My only request is that it is used sparingly as it is now abused in Rugby Union.

True, but paid officials are just people. Their legitimacy is questionable to say the very least in most scenarios.

Take the Niasse ban, I think it's a dive - the ref gave a pen and after the game stood by his decision saying it was a pen. The 'panel' of beauts decided it was a dive. Banned.

And in regards to the offside, I see what you mean but you couldn't let it play on every single time there's a close call for an offside just to see if the goal was scored. It would waste even more time than is wasted now.

 

[Boba Fret]

True, but paid officials are just people. Their legitimacy is questionable to say the very least in most scenarios.

Take the Niasse ban, I think it's a dive - the ref gave a pen and after the game stood by his decision saying it was a pen. The 'panel' of beauts decided it was a dive. Banned.

And in regards to the offside, I see what you mean but you couldn't let it play on every single time there's a close call for an offside just to see if the goal was scored. It would waste even more time than is wasted now.

We have to accept that the Video Ref is a competent official. There is always going to be debate as sometimes it will be that officials interpretation of the law.

Yes you can let it play on as it would take seconds for the decision to be made using technology.

VAR is not perfect but it will get us closer to the correct decision.

 

[Abraders]

We have to accept that the Video Ref is a competent official. There is always going to be debate as sometimes it will be that officials interpretation of the law.

Yes you can let it play on as it would take seconds for the decision to be made using technology.

VAR is not perfect but it will get us closer to the correct decision.

Hope so mate I do think it's a step in the right direction.

A different poster mentioned however that it's been in MLS for a while already and in one scenario VAR was used to cancel out a goal due to a foul 90 yards back. If it gets to that level I'm out.

I've always thought the most natural way would be to combine the idea with tennis. Each captain has 3 challenges to be used in any 90minute game to contest any particular decision they wish, be it a penalty, an offside or a sending off etc. If they choose to challenge then the VAR comes into contention.

Obviously goal line tech is pretty spot on now.

 

[newton-stewart-blues]

Shearer is a massive beaut and that's a dive to me. Looks down, drags his leg and 'feels the contact'.

Beaut or not, my point is that people are going to regularly disagree with the VAR decision just as they do with refs, which is why this ridiculous 'technology' has been brought in after all. All it does is give moaning whingers another thing to moan about.

In other words, it is completely unneccesary, it isn't progress and it's going to absolutely ruin football.

You don't trust a referee to get it right every time? VAR won't either, will it, so what's the point of it?

 

[Neiler]

Be boss.

 

[newton-stewart-blues]

Beaut or not, my point is that people are going to regularly disagree with the VAR decision just as they do with refs, which is why this ridiculous 'technology' has been brought in after all. All it does is give moaning whingers another thing to moan about.

In other words, it is completely unneccesary, it isn't progress and it's going to absolutely ruin football.

You don't trust a referee to get it right every time? VAR won't either, will it, so what's the point of it?

PS. I agree that the only 'fair' way to do this, if this abomination must ruin our game, is to allow a team to make a challenge via VAR, not some redshoite Twattenberg hiding in a gantry.

But, as far as I'm concerned, this has only been brought in to satisfy the Sky generation, bed wetting, weans who just cannae go on with their lives if a dodgy offside is given against them. Get over it.

It is the death of football as I know it.

 

[blueloon]

Those using VAR will get better at it in the same way they have in rugby. The referee needs to be in control and ask the question as he does in rugby e.g. Any reason I cannot award a goal/penalty ? If the VAR guy is not clear then he has no reason to contradict the Ref. There are occasions in rugby when the two officials work seamlessly without interrupting play, with the video guy anticipating what he will be asked, looking at a replay on the screen and telling the Ref to carry on.

 

[Armel]

http://static-3eb8.kxcdn.com/docume...FAB_Media_Package_ABM2017_all_media_FINAL.pdf

VAR is the way forward if you look at these numbers. The average time lost is under 1 percent of overall playing time (e.g substitutions = on average 3.5 percent). Improvement in accuracy, 24 percent of matches are positively affected, in 8 percent a decisive impact... Only good things. It will come about.

 

[Zezti]

Just curious - does this get displayed on the screens at the game as they are doing the reviews?

No, but it should.
At the moment, nobody in the stadium knows what tf is going on when the ref goes to VAR. If it was displayed on the stadium screens then the ref and everyone watching would be on the same wavelength.