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catcherintherye said:
Well it's not whatabouterry and secondly of course making comparisons is valid.

If the US and or the UK want to potential put sanctions on an administration, why is it "invalid" to compare their behaviours? Far from being invalid, I would say it was essential.

So I'll ask again, do countries who's leaders try to
1) Throw out people's votes based on the colour of their skin
2) Suspend their elected assembly when they ask questions that scrutinise the executive
3) Leak statements like "crush the saboteurs" to their mates in the when questioned, within the context of one of their supporters murdering an MP in the months proceeding that statement (so a clear dog whistle)
4) Try to steal an election, by refusing to count votes
5) When you lose an election, to organise a coup, with supporters arming themselves and illegal invading the elected assemblies head quarters. Then with leading figures in your party telling those invaders, where the whereabouts of your political opponents are (knowing full well they are armed).

This is just the last couple of years. I'll be intrigued as to why you think it is "invalid" to discuss those tings, when the above 2 countries want to talk about sanctions for the political conduct to a third country. Should they not put their own house in order first perhaps? And not accuse those who highlight these crimes, that their views are "not valid" or merely "whataboutery"?
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Are you trying to align our administration with that of Trump. A bit far fetched that is .
 
Toffeelover said:
Are you trying to align our administration with that of Trump. A bit far fetched that is .
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Well they aligned themselves with Trump if memory serves me correctly, inviting him for a formal state visit.

I am merely pointing out, it seems highly hypocritical of me, for countries with the records of the USA & the UK to argue for political sanctions on any 3rd country, given their conduct.

Why don't we sanction American businessmen for whats happened under Trump?
 
catcherintherye said:
Well they aligned themselves with Trump if memory serves me correctly, inviting him for a formal state visit.

I am merely pointing out, it seems highly hypocritical of me, for countries with the records of the USA & the UK to argue for political sanctions on any 3rd country, given their conduct.

Why don't we sanction American businessmen for whats happened under Trump?
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Cannot agree with you, the points you made in your post were never here. Also I am not clear what do you mean by our conduct?

Given Hiler's conduct we should not have declared war?

Given North Korea's invasion of the south we should not have joined in with the UN?

May I point out we rejected joining USA regards Vietnam.
 

Toffeelover said:
Which points were here? stop being vague.

The government? which one?
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I'm not trying to be vague.

Point 2 and 3 were here. I could give plenty more examples as well, of how due process was not followed in the Brexit discussions.

And in tis context, the UK governments over the last 5-6 years. I'm not really sure why that is really important. The central issue is, for the point of the thread, the idea that businessmen who have interests in Russia should be sanctioned because of the conduct of the Russian political actors, by of all people, the UK and US governments is absolutely laughable.

The UK and the US should put it's own house in order, before trying to sanction people. I don't think the thread needs a long list of all the democratic infrations we have endured in this country by our govrnments.
 

Exeter_Gently said:
People love getting on their high horse over anything these days. You tend find the people that do,are the ones that are slapping their baloney upstairs to Youporn while their missus is watching the news downstairs. That's your "Whiter than white" types.
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Masturbation while watching scud isn't amoral or adulterous mate. It's a pretty poor moralistic analogy in relation to some of Uncle Uzzy's alleged activities.
 
catcherintherye said:
I'm not trying to be vague.

Point 2 and 3 were here. I could give plenty more examples as well, of how due process was not followed in the Brexit discussions.

And in tis context, the UK governments over the last 5-6 years. I'm not really sure why that is really important. The central issue is, for the point of the thread, the idea that businessmen who have interests in Russia should be sanctioned because of the conduct of the Russian political actors, by of all people, the UK and US governments is absolutely laughable.

The UK and the US should put it's own house in order, before trying to sanction people. I don't think the thread needs a long list of all the democratic infrations we have endured in this country by our govrnments.
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What way is our house out of order?
Points 2 and 3 !!! get a grip.
 

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