fozzy
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enjoy your summer holiday this year lad!
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enjoy your summer holiday this year lad!
formerly manx toffee
Player Valuation: £70m
They'll see your true colours shining through! They see see your true colours and that's why I love you, so don't be afraid to show your true colours, your true colours are beautiful...
I've been on here for a week doing an article, so I'm genuinely not here to cause any trouble, because I'm hoping to come back next season and do another one with all the decent blues on here. But I'm going to leave you with the thoughts of a Liverpool supporter. Now you're well within your rights to tell me to go [Poor language removed] myself, and I won't be replying to anyone, because I'll leave you all to yourselves now. It seems that people who are shouting the loudest about "murderers" "39 Italians" and other stuff like that on here haven't got the foggiest about it, but are happy using it as a stick to beat Liverpool fans with. If you truly wished to show your smpathy with those who died that night, you could at least get their nationalities right to begin with. Only 32 were Italians just so you can get at least one fact right.
There's not a single red I know who doesn't have some shame or guilt attached to what happened at Heysel on behalf of proper fans on behalf of our club, or will ever attempt to deny that a couple of hundred of our supporters shoulder a lot of the blame. The thing is though, I doubt you'd even be able to tell me about the sections of the ground it happened in or how it occurred. I honestly don't even think you know how easily it could have been 39 Liverpool fans who died that night instead. The stadium was a f*cking ****hole, decrepit, crumbling and falling to bits. The Belgian FA got heavily criticised as did the police. From Wiki - The conclusion of the report by Belgium's top judge was "blame should not rest solely with the English fans, and that some culpability lay with the police and authorities. Several top officials were incriminated by some of the dossier’s findings, including police captain Johan Mahieu, who had been in charge of security on 29 May 1985 and was now charged with involuntary manslaughter."
The rioting in the Liverpool section was started by the Juventus fans, and I'm sorry if that doesn't fit the version of events that you would like to believe, but it happens to be the truth and anyone who was there will tell you. Not to absolve themselves of any blame, but because it's what happened. The supposedly neutral section of the ground filled up with mostly Juventus fans and was largely unpoliced and segregated by a bit of chainlink fencing. The Juventus fans charged the Liverpool fans twice, threw flares and rocks and penned the Liverpool fans back into jam packed terraces. Then a few hundred Liverpool fans charged back, and it was this charge that led to the Italian fans dying.
Who started it doesn't matter, who else was to blame doesn't matter; the fact was that a few hundred Liverpool fans have got blood on their hands. The lives of 39 innocent people who died attending a football match are the only things that matter, not a point scoring contest by trying to justify a twisted logic that somehow every Liverpool supporter is to blame. For f*cks sake, the Blue House was my local. Two lads I used to bevvy with, both match going blues, are lifers. I'm not even sure if they're out or not cos I don't live down County Road any more. I watched County Road getting smashed to pieces loads of times in the 80's, I saw Everton fans throwing darts at away fans, mobs meeting the away coaches on the corner of Walton Lane and Priory Road, and as i said earlier, I get sparked in the Bullens myself once. I'm sure you would think I was a tw*t if I used those statistics to call all blues murderers or thugs. But some people don't seem to have a problem labelling 40 odd thousand reds as murderers when they had [Poor language removed] all to do with what happened at Heysel.
I used to be a real tit when I was a kid, I'd be on the Kop singing the Munich songs. But I was about 13 or so, and when an older and much wiser head pointed out to me that I was being a tw*t and should be ashamed of myself for desecrating the memory of the dead, I grew up and shut up sharpish. I never sang it again. There's still some f*cking d*ckheads in our fan base who think it's ok to do it now, but they're ignorant and they'll never learn. But I'm older and wiser now, and I'll try to educate people wherever possible, just like I was educated as a kid. The last year or so has really been amazing in terms of the support we've had from the blue half of Liverpool. Please don't waste the opportunity to put this ridculous murderers nonsense to bed once and for all. Hate the team, hate the attitude of what you believe are our delusional and self-entitled fanbase, but please stop hating us for the wrong reasons. If this has helped make just one person think or go and read about the disaster to educate themselves, it's been worth the effort typing out.
There's not a single red I know who doesn't have some shame or guilt attached to what happened at Heysel on behalf of proper fans on behalf of our club, or will ever attempt to deny that a couple of hundred of our supporters shoulder a lot of the blame. The thing is though, I doubt you'd even be able to tell me about the sections of the ground it happened in or how it occurred. I honestly don't even think you know how easily it could have been 39 Liverpool fans who died that night instead. The stadium was a f*cking ****hole, decrepit, crumbling and falling to bits. The Belgian FA got heavily criticised as did the police. From Wiki - The conclusion of the report by Belgium's top judge was "blame should not rest solely with the English fans, and that some culpability lay with the police and authorities. Several top officials were incriminated by some of the dossier’s findings, including police captain Johan Mahieu, who had been in charge of security on 29 May 1985 and was now charged with involuntary manslaughter."
The rioting in the Liverpool section was started by the Juventus fans, and I'm sorry if that doesn't fit the version of events that you would like to believe, but it happens to be the truth and anyone who was there will tell you. Not to absolve themselves of any blame, but because it's what happened. The supposedly neutral section of the ground filled up with mostly Juventus fans and was largely unpoliced and segregated by a bit of chainlink fencing. The Juventus fans charged the Liverpool fans twice, threw flares and rocks and penned the Liverpool fans back into jam packed terraces. Then a few hundred Liverpool fans charged back, and it was this charge that led to the Italian fans dying.
Who started it doesn't matter, who else was to blame doesn't matter; the fact was that a few hundred Liverpool fans have got blood on their hands. The lives of 39 innocent people who died attending a football match are the only things that matter, not a point scoring contest by trying to justify a twisted logic that somehow every Liverpool supporter is to blame. For f*cks sake, the Blue House was my local. Two lads I used to bevvy with, both match going blues, are lifers. I'm not even sure if they're out or not cos I don't live down County Road any more. I watched County Road getting smashed to pieces loads of times in the 80's, I saw Everton fans throwing darts at away fans, mobs meeting the away coaches on the corner of Walton Lane and Priory Road, and as i said earlier, I get sparked in the Bullens myself once. I'm sure you would think I was a tw*t if I used those statistics to call all blues murderers or thugs. But some people don't seem to have a problem labelling 40 odd thousand reds as murderers when they had [Poor language removed] all to do with what happened at Heysel.
I used to be a real tit when I was a kid, I'd be on the Kop singing the Munich songs. But I was about 13 or so, and when an older and much wiser head pointed out to me that I was being a tw*t and should be ashamed of myself for desecrating the memory of the dead, I grew up and shut up sharpish. I never sang it again. There's still some f*cking d*ckheads in our fan base who think it's ok to do it now, but they're ignorant and they'll never learn. But I'm older and wiser now, and I'll try to educate people wherever possible, just like I was educated as a kid. The last year or so has really been amazing in terms of the support we've had from the blue half of Liverpool. Please don't waste the opportunity to put this ridculous murderers nonsense to bed once and for all. Hate the team, hate the attitude of what you believe are our delusional and self-entitled fanbase, but please stop hating us for the wrong reasons. If this has helped make just one person think or go and read about the disaster to educate themselves, it's been worth the effort typing out.
noharmdone
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Macca.. Straight question here.
What did you personally think of your club involving the Hillsborough charity with the Suarez fine ?
What did you personally think of your club involving the Hillsborough charity with the Suarez fine ?
Chang Elephant
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Manslaughterers is apt for maybe a few hundred Liverpool fans, and rioters for a few thousand. Ayone using the term murderer is just wrong.
Dell Boy
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Good post. I believe most Blues agree with your sentiment.
toffeemax
Player Valuation: £15m
you get uneducated morons who will always give a radical opinion that has no sustenance with the sole aim of being obnoxious. The key is, as you say, for them to be in the minority and I agree, most of us agree with the sentiments.
EFCNIK
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Yep, nothing to argue with here. Think the fact that we and a lot of other clubs use it to beat you with is because your club has shown a distinct lack of remorse or responcibility. It was only until fairly recently you apologised as a club. Having said that, if I was to say that everyone saying 'murderers' really cares about who died that day then I'd be lying. It's more an attack on the holier than thou nature of your club, something which the rest of the football world is finally waking up to. The mask has slipped and a large chunk of your fanbase are showing your club up with what can only be described as 'cult' like behaviour. Do I think that all Liverpool fans should be branded 'murderers'? Of course not. A lot of my family are reds. But do I think that a club who's fans continue to behave in the 'we're better than you' 'its a conspiracy' 'wot u sayin bout ma club m8?' fashion should be reminded of their dark history until they behave with some class and dignity? Abso ****ing lutely. The Suarez debacle has really shown you lot up, even to the point where there was a statement on the OFFICIAL site backing a proven racist and it really showed the depths of the problem with the whole mindset of the club. And now usually I would say that for whatever we accuse Liverpool and their fans of being, they could in turn accuse Everton and their fans of being, but not behaving with class and dignity about situations whether it be our players discipline or even more serious events such as Hillsboro, is something we can NEVER be accused of.
Well i have to say Macca i wasn't aware about the details of surrounding the events in Heysel that you posted.At the end of the day Everton and Liverpool fans share a city,share a home,share a school and share a workplace.I don't think some of us here on GOT or RAWK should be seen as representative of the Everton and Liverpool fanbase!With all that said though there is a derby this sunday and i want us to walk all over those Red Shyte [Poor language removed] and i want to hear David Moyes doing a Joe Royle after the 1995 fa cup semi final against Spurs in the post match interview.So much for Liverpool finishing above us but bollox to that anyway and that's with a double L!
Mixed feelings about it to be honest mate. First and foremost, the families are going to need as much as possible to help with travel and expenses surrounding the new inquests and any subsequent criminal prosecutions that they need to attend. In that respect, it's gone to a very good and worthy cause. The second part is that in case you didn't know, whenever a player is fined (not sure whether it's us or every team to be honest) he gets to pick the charity he wants it donated to. In that respect, he picked a very worthy cause. From what we were led to believe, he did it because he felt like it sullied the day that was in part a tribute to Anne Williams and brought shame on himself and the club in the week of the Hillsborough Anniversary and it was his way of apologising. The thing I'm mixed about though is I wish he hadn't done what he did to have to donate it, because it feels a bit to me like the money is tainted. Personally I just wished he donated the cash to the HFSG off his own back without the fanfare because the last thing Margaret Aspinall needed was some nobhead journo pestering her to make a story out of it. That poor woman has got enough on her plate without all that extra sh*te.
Very good post that...
kenada_blue
Welcome to Barcelonaton FC
They tried accusing us of hillsborough chants this season. Half arsed but they still had a go over the "Its never your fault" chant.
That was just amazing, I thought. Even for them, it did surprise me.
I'd just like to say thanks, and fair comments from everyone. and I totally understand some people's mindsets that some of our fan base will mindlessly get behind anything with a them against us attitude. I'm probably guilty as charged with that too for some things. But I'm going to copy and paste something I wrote on RAWK about Suarez affair and football in general, because I'm sick to f*cking death of it all at times -
"Look, I'm not going to blame anyone for spouting s*ite because the oxygen is a little thinner from up on their moral pulpit. But you know what? I actually don't give a flying [Poor language removed] that he bit Ivanovic. I don't give a flying sh*te what he called Evra any more. I couldn't give a shiney sh*te if he pulled Fabio's hair, dived like Tom Daley, stamped on some [Poor language removed]'s foot or anything else that he might be accused of. Do you know why I feel like this? It's certainly not because I don't possess basic morals and scruples; it's because football doesn't. They allow people to get away with all sorts of sh*te week in and week out. Calling someone a traditional cultural colloquialism is the same as calling someone a ****ing black [Poor language removed] in football's eyes. Homophobia is worth a fine, although homophobic tweeting in an intentional offensive way is worth only £7,000 while doing it as an in-joke, no matter how daft it was, between two friends is worth a £10,000 fine. A player slipping while he goes to make a tackle is worth a three game ban while a lad deliberately jumping two footed onto another player is ok because a ref didn't think it was all that bad. Stamping on a player's chest not seen by the ref but caught on youtube complete with slo-mo and a boss techno soundrack is not worth punishing, but it's worth 4 games if you're Mario Balotelli. A yellow card is sufficient for a bite or is it a 10 game ban? Football and all the governing bodies, not just the FA, are a simmering cesspool of f*cking s*ite, and it's time we stopped judging football by the same moral yardsticks of every day life. Do you honestly think whether we throw one of our own to the wolves or condemn another player from a team for kicking a ball boy, or just shrug our shoulders to it all, anything meaningful is going to change? Pandora has well and truly opened her box of football morality so I'll just treat it as a separate entity to normal life now. Money, 24 hour media, twitter and bloggers, it's all a f*cking pantomine these days and I'm seriously considering jacking it all in, because the whole f*cking shebang doesn't measure up to my personal standards of morality, so why should I bother picking and choosing what bits do?"
"Look, I'm not going to blame anyone for spouting s*ite because the oxygen is a little thinner from up on their moral pulpit. But you know what? I actually don't give a flying [Poor language removed] that he bit Ivanovic. I don't give a flying sh*te what he called Evra any more. I couldn't give a shiney sh*te if he pulled Fabio's hair, dived like Tom Daley, stamped on some [Poor language removed]'s foot or anything else that he might be accused of. Do you know why I feel like this? It's certainly not because I don't possess basic morals and scruples; it's because football doesn't. They allow people to get away with all sorts of sh*te week in and week out. Calling someone a traditional cultural colloquialism is the same as calling someone a ****ing black [Poor language removed] in football's eyes. Homophobia is worth a fine, although homophobic tweeting in an intentional offensive way is worth only £7,000 while doing it as an in-joke, no matter how daft it was, between two friends is worth a £10,000 fine. A player slipping while he goes to make a tackle is worth a three game ban while a lad deliberately jumping two footed onto another player is ok because a ref didn't think it was all that bad. Stamping on a player's chest not seen by the ref but caught on youtube complete with slo-mo and a boss techno soundrack is not worth punishing, but it's worth 4 games if you're Mario Balotelli. A yellow card is sufficient for a bite or is it a 10 game ban? Football and all the governing bodies, not just the FA, are a simmering cesspool of f*cking s*ite, and it's time we stopped judging football by the same moral yardsticks of every day life. Do you honestly think whether we throw one of our own to the wolves or condemn another player from a team for kicking a ball boy, or just shrug our shoulders to it all, anything meaningful is going to change? Pandora has well and truly opened her box of football morality so I'll just treat it as a separate entity to normal life now. Money, 24 hour media, twitter and bloggers, it's all a f*cking pantomine these days and I'm seriously considering jacking it all in, because the whole f*cking shebang doesn't measure up to my personal standards of morality, so why should I bother picking and choosing what bits do?"
Mate i hate to try and educate you here, but do you know the origins of where that song came from and why it gets sung?
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