Unthinkable that club will have ‘no plan B’

[Sharpys top lip]

From todays daily post.....

WHATEVER your opinion on the whole move to Kirkby, and your subsequent delight or dismay at the government’s decision to call the scheme in for a public enquiry, the decision raises a lot of questions about Everton’s future direction.
The board were clearly hoping beyond hope to get a favourable decision and the fact that they haven’t is obviously going to hit them for six. Their terse statement in immediate aftermath of the announcement said that they are still firmly committed to the move, but it seems that matters may well be out of their hands now.
Keith Wyness famously said there was “No plan B”, but it seems unthinkable that Bill Kenwright and his colleagues haven’t made some provisions for this outcome. It’s anyone’s guess though just what the ramifications will be. Until the announcement about the calling in of Destination Kirkby it had been a week of very few surprises. Andy Johnson still hasn’t moved to Fulham, David Moyes hasn’t walked out, Everton is for sale – but no more than it’s ever been – and the acting chief executive, Robert Elstone, thinks that the move is a good idea.
The only thing out of the ordinary had been Bill Kenwright’s sudden willingness to talk to the press despite being remarkably quiet for most of the summer. Perhaps the exit of Keith Wyness has meant that the Everton chairman has seen the need to step up and reassure fans.
To give him his due, the things that Kenwright has said about the club being for sale are pretty consistent with what his message has always been.
Like any club, or any business for that matter, of course Everton are for sale to the right bidder. In most cases that is the one who offers enough money, although Kenwright has also always insisted that as an Evertonian he would be reluctant to sell to anyone who he thought never had the club’s long-term future at heart. Some scoff at this and regard it as a convenient caveat that the theatre impresario uses to hang onto power at Goodison, but you only have to look around the Premier League – and not very far, for that matter – to see numerous examples of takeovers that have happened amidst a lot of publicity and brash talk, only to start to turn sour in a relatively short space of time.
He also sought to play down rumours that Moyes is on the verge of leaving, which is kind of reassuring, but in all honesty most fans would probably agree that actions would speak far louder than words at this point. Nothing short of a couple of decent signings, at least, is going to be required to put supporters’ minds at ease regarding the club’s future and the prospects for the immediate season ahead.
We keep hearing conflicting reports about the state of various potential transfers, but the only one that seems to look definite is a cut-price move for Johnson to Fulham. No doubt the Cottagers can smell the desperation at Everton and are, understandably, using that to get renegotiate a better deal for themselves. It almost goes without saying that the sides we are looking to buy players from will do likewise in the hope of profiteering from any panic. In some ways though we can only hope that is in fact what Rennes and Sporting Lisbon are trying to do when they say that Stephan M’Bia and Joao Moutinho are now staying put.
Let’s really hope that we are not making all these same points this time next week.

 

[HalewoodBlue]

We didnt need a plan B, Plan A was sorted and on track

 

[Neiler]

Plan A might still be Plan A, lets hope so for all our sakes!

 

[Sharpys top lip]

We didnt need a plan B, Plan A was sorted and on track

You only have to break one of the six laws to 'get called in' We broke all six (aparently) they must have had a suspition it would happen. Their should have been a 'plan B'.

Once again it just shows how badly were run!!

 

[Makis]

We didnt need a plan B, Plan A was sorted and on track

Any businessmen worth their salt ALWAYS have at least one back-up plan. Only idiots don't have them. And of course it was obvious from the off that it would be very likely that the whole scheme would be called in, so having no plan B is even more incredible.

 

[Reidy's Bottle Of Grecian]

there has to have been a plan B , it couldnt exactly have been made known though could it as those against kirkby would demand that it be made known and then want that one instead.
other proposals and ideas that have been suggested before will now be looked at and may this time seem more attractive, the call in could have a few outcomes

be accepted and everyone be relieved that we survive thus winning over a lot of the "no's"

drag on and another proposal looked at and then accepted, the fact that people will now put other proposals forward and they will be looked at will give the club a get out from going against the vote as they can now say that due to the call in theyve had to look elsewhere.

the call in may expose the reason that we had to move out of "the city" and lcc be exposed at a higher level for their rs bias, they were never good enough to be footballers so they seek to finish off everton in council chambers as opposed on a football field, they do this with total disregard and no doubt have a good laugh and brag about it to their vile rs mates.

be turned down and another proposal have to be instigated after the government forces lcc to provide a site, and also rules out the rs stadium on historic public land.

all just ifs with no substantial evidence to back them up, just thoughts.

one thing i have said before though is that due to lack of funds for etrnity we have been unable to go into debt to the point that we did a leeds, it wouldve been so easy at that time to have done exactly what they did and if we had been able to get our hands on the dosh at the time we could well have been with them.
the money required to get cl football could be more than money gained, rangers got 29 1/2 million last year for what has to be considered a good run with prize money from 3 different pots, if you dont make it to the semi's then you arent going to get back what is needed to get in. yes- you are playing against europes "elite" but putting the club in a perilous position whilst there. if you can get in and keep faith in your players, not go out and spend a fortune then you can then start to build the club financially with the prize money.
in our position we need to keep at it the way we have been doing, we dont seem to have a choice. try out the kids, they seem to have bags of confidence and could respond well if given a chance, if they get off to a good start their confidence will grow and all of a sudden weve got 3 homegrown stars instead of expensive ones.
this is a rich football area and in recent years BOTH clubs have been only too happy to look elsewhere instead of outside of the window at the kids around them.

i wouldnt call us a sinking ship, just one thats adrift, with no rudder, compass is up the spout, the purser is pissed in the gally, theres no bog roll left and the duty free only accepts euro's.

lets fast forward.............dec. '08, everton sit 3rd in the pl, the kids are a revelation, we beat the rs 3-0 with a "yaktrick", kirkby accepted but a proposal was put forward which makes it look like a training ground. rs 10th with the yanks wanting out but no-one wanting them due to the credit crunch, all would feel much better then and just in time for xmas.

WE WILL EMERGE FROM THIS STRONGER !!

 

[amablueski]

I dont think there is a plan b, i just think they will continue with plan a untill they have wasted as much money as we have got and then blow up!

There isnt a plan b simply cos we cant afford a plan b, we could barely afford plan a.

 

[Keamos]

I'm with Reidy on this one, the only thing I want to know is how much more money needs to be spent on DK before plan B becomes the viable alternative and they let us all in on the little 'big' secret.

Also when do we get a new PR department, the only one that doesn't sound like a twit when interviewed is Moyes, it's so bloody unprofessional and annoying all at the same time

 

[McBain]

there has to have been a plan B , it couldnt exactly have been made known though could it as those against kirkby would demand that it be made known and then want that one instead.
other proposals and ideas that have been suggested before will now be looked at and may this time seem more attractive, the call in could have a few outcomes

be accepted and everyone be relieved that we survive thus winning over a lot of the "no's"

drag on and another proposal looked at and then accepted, the fact that people will now put other proposals forward and they will be looked at will give the club a get out from going against the vote as they can now say that due to the call in theyve had to look elsewhere.

the call in may expose the reason that we had to move out of "the city" and lcc be exposed at a higher level for their rs bias, they were never good enough to be footballers so they seek to finish off everton in council chambers as opposed on a football field, they do this with total disregard and no doubt have a good laugh and brag about it to their vile rs mates.

be turned down and another proposal have to be instigated after the government forces lcc to provide a site, and also rules out the rs stadium on historic public land.

all just ifs with no substantial evidence to back them up, just thoughts.

one thing i have said before though is that due to lack of funds for etrnity we have been unable to go into debt to the point that we did a leeds, it wouldve been so easy at that time to have done exactly what they did and if we had been able to get our hands on the dosh at the time we could well have been with them.
the money required to get cl football could be more than money gained, rangers got 29 1/2 million last year for what has to be considered a good run with prize money from 3 different pots, if you dont make it to the semi's then you arent going to get back what is needed to get in. yes- you are playing against europes "elite" but putting the club in a perilous position whilst there. if you can get in and keep faith in your players, not go out and spend a fortune then you can then start to build the club financially with the prize money.
in our position we need to keep at it the way we have been doing, we dont seem to have a choice. try out the kids, they seem to have bags of confidence and could respond well if given a chance, if they get off to a good start their confidence will grow and all of a sudden weve got 3 homegrown stars instead of expensive ones.
this is a rich football area and in recent years BOTH clubs have been only too happy to look elsewhere instead of outside of the window at the kids around them.

i wouldnt call us a sinking ship, just one thats adrift, with no rudder, compass is up the spout, the purser is pissed in the gally, theres no bog roll left and the duty free only accepts euro's.

lets fast forward.............dec. '08, everton sit 3rd in the pl, the kids are a revelation, we beat the rs 3-0 with a "yaktrick", kirkby accepted but a proposal was put forward which makes it look like a training ground. rs 10th with the yanks wanting out but no-one wanting them due to the credit crunch, all would feel much better then and just in time for xmas.

WE WILL EMERGE FROM THIS STRONGER !!

Well said Reidster.

We do have a plan B.

Boy do we have a Plan B. A plan B so diabolical it would dress up like Blackadder from season 2, the funniest season, and intuiativley instruct Queenie and Lord Melchet that it had in fact beaten the Spanish Conqistador Francisco de Montejo y Alverez in a game of backgammon for the ownersip of the entire American Continent all the while secretly alligning himself with Manuel I King of Portugal and berating humoursly the cretin know as Sodoff Baldrick.

Its a plan B so strewn with red herrings if it were a film it would be David Lynch's greatest work.

Its a Plan B sooooo full of twists and turns its being rebranded as the latest greatest and most death defying of rollercoaster rides at Six Flags.

Its a Plan B so terryifyingly complicated that I shouldnt even be talking about it for fear of my own painful demise by even trying to contemplate microscopic peices of its tangled design.

I heard it was devised by cold war scientists kept alive in giant vats of frozen custard neither dead nor alive just calculating the intricacies if the Plan B for the last 50 years.

Just wait. It'll hit us so quickly we'll have no time to react and for years after we'll just refer to it as 'Tsunami B'.

 

[Dom1878]

Plan A was perfet, split cost on the stadium etc...the plan B is just to stay at Goodison, maybe re-develop it over the next 20 years when we create our own money.

 

[coyney]

I dont think there is a plan b, i just think they will continue with plan a untill they have wasted as much money as we have got and then blow up!

There isnt a plan b simply cos we cant afford a plan b, we could barely afford plan a.

Cost does not come in to having one although it might dictate as to what it is no big business would not have a plan B Its bad planning bordering on criminal and for all Bills faults I dont think he would place everything on a plan that always had the possibility of failing.

 

[Reidy's Bottle Of Grecian]

the people with other proposals will regard them as a plan b and be pushing them, of all the stadium designs i think it was the worst (regardless of location), there are unbelievable stadiums being built around the globe and we came up with that.

 

[uknightbreed]

well what would my plan b be ? well it depends if we are in the last chance saloon or not.

unless i beleive in fairy tails and the beleif that some mad man with money to burn is waiting in the wings to bail us out and has been biding his time (for 10 years + ? yea right !) i think we have have had it and its time to sell up and do the best we can with goodison - which at the mo is probably just a lick of paint at the moment.

the way the club has been funded in the past decade has run out of runway , cannot be sustainable and the debt will be guzzling our income for years to come. every player bought under kenwright in the past and future is digging us further into a hole which is a gonna be hard to climb out of.

look at the squad , then id look at the debt of which a good portion was raised buying said squad.
65 + million of debt , thats equal roughly to the sell on value of arteta , cahill , yakubu , jags , lescott and yobo , baines and howard .

we have a team , bought by a chairman with false money. its a bluff .

if you sell them players listed above it would clear the debt , but we wont have a team (and the stadium still needs addressing). we would be back where we started the day johnson left - only debt free. (this just goes to show how little progress kenwright has actually made - he's done nothing but rob peter to feed paul.)

with the debt cleared our revenue/profit per year would be vast (if fans keep interest in the team that is).rather than paying off debt we could sort out our own stadium.
but we cant compete without a team .

well our 1 saving grace is finch farm. atleast those facilities give us the best chance in producing our own talented players from grass roots up.(to add to the squad or sell on)

selling up and starting again from the bottom . its a gamble , but its an option that is certainly more stable than kenwrights house of cards method.

the longer he goes on the more its gonna hurt imo.

even though im only saying all the above it just a possibility , people may read this and think its bad , yep it is but its a better alternative than administration. which as ive said as things stand and the way the club has been financing itself is a dead cert if we continue on this path.

we are staying at goodison

 

[coyney]

the people with other proposals will regard them as a plan b and be pushing them, of all the stadium designs i think it was the worst (regardless of location), there are unbelievable stadiums being built around the globe and we came up with that.

Aint that the truth

 

[gordonjblair]

selling up and starting again from the bottom . its a gamble , but its an option that is certainly more stable than kenwrights house of cards method.

the longer he goes on the more its gonna hurt imo.

even though im only saying all the above it just a possibility , people may read this and think its bad , yep it is but its a better alternative than administration. which as ive said as things stand and the way the club has been financing itself is a dead cert if we continue on this path.

we are staying at goodison

one material consideration you have left out there... performance related payments for league placings at £500k per place.

Even if we sold up (personally I think you've under valued the team, Yak, Arteta, Cahill, Lescott and Yobo, would comfortably recoup £65M in today's market), and even if we managed to stay in the top flight with a mish- mash of kids and the remaining first XI, we'd be looking at losing c. £5M /year by being relegation fighters rather than Euro Contenders. You may write off up to £10M per year by cutting the above pay packets, but you'd still have to bring bodies in, so you'd be shelling half of it back out again in wages for the new boys... providing they can keep you up.

Not necessarily a fan of this strategy, we're not in Leeds' shoes quite yet