Current Affairs Ukraine

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davmaher said:
You quote an article from weeks ago, just a few days after the Russians went in. You then quote an opinion piece from the Guardian. It's not exactly the press catching up with your inspired insights is it? There has been nothing since articles written in February (when it was widely feared for a time that Putin could use nuclear weapons) to suggest it is still being considered. Fearmongering pure and simple.
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We can respectfully agree to disagree. Have a nice evening
 
Tennessee Blue Mike said:
Germany showing it's true colours in a big way. Yes, we will send in equipment to Ukraine....eh perhaps not........Embargo on oil and gas per EU.....eh perhaps not.

Germany exposed big time and Andrea Merkle even more so. You can not depend on the less than 2% Germany in NATO they change as much as the wind blows.
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Angela Merkel singlehandedly caused all of this. Every policy regarding fuel and power that she pushed was for the benefit of Russia/Germany and screw the rest of Europe. She ran down her defence, she initiated the mass transit of asylum seekers, she did away with German nuclear power stations. She has now become very quiet, I wonder why….
 
PhilM said:
There a seizable difference between the deaths of genuine combatants in actual combat and the rape, murder and beheading of soldiers and/or civilians.

Although I personally do not feel heart emojis are appropriate, it's naive to think that with war and having to choose sides there'll be some acceptance of death.

With this, mostly at the time, may there come some form of celebration when one side succeed over the others. Only after combat does the significance dawn.

Like with the first line, there's a difference between celebrating the success of Ukraine and its army and revelling in the deaths of individual Russians.

It's celebrating the Ukrainian defence, however regrettably that will come at the price of individual deaths of Russian troops. These words have stuck with me...

"You're doing what you took the oath to do, with out favour, affection, malice or ill-will"
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Yes mate, but seeing as we’re sitting at home typing on our keyboards it’s a bit weird to be emojiing this kind of stuff.
 
Glasshalffull said:
You're right, mate. Just appalling that there's any music on any videos like that. Don't know what's in the heads of the the people who do that. The more Russian stuff
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War stinks but just an observation. I have no clue who created that video or similar but if the creator is in Ukraine potentially getting bombed everyday they might have a different mindset?
 
davmaher said:
You quote an article from weeks ago, just a few days after the Russians went in. You then quote an opinion piece from the Guardian. It's not exactly the press catching up with your inspired insights is it? There has been nothing since articles written in February (when it was widely feared for a time that Putin could use nuclear weapons) to suggest it is still being considered. Fearmongering pure and simple.
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It's important to understand the purpose of the rhetoric, and the potential scenarios.

Putin probably understands, just as the quoted participant in the war games does, that first use of nuclear weapons would be a massive risk. He's not likely to go there unless he's staring down an equally unpalatable risk. As long as we're just sending materiel and the Ukrainians stay on their side of the border, he is very unlikely to make use of them.

He's saber-rattling to get us to scale back what commitments we are making, in the absence of that rhetoric. It's a psy-op aimed at weakening the opponent by preempting some support they would otherwise likely receive.

The paper covers it because it's newsworthy. They tend to do a bad job of it for two reasons. One, the paper tends towards scaremongering because it's what papers do to sell copy and get clicks. Two, the people covering the rhetoric are reporters.

People like Dean Acheson and Henry Kissinger don't hang it up and then go take a job as a reporter. They might write the odd editorial, but we don't get actual experts producing day-to-day copy. What you hear from experts in the paper has two big limitations - it tends to be the party line of the government the expert(s) worked for, and it has been filtered through the lens of someone who most likely studied journalism and has neither other education nor practical experience in the subject.
 
Karolina Hird, Mason Clark, and George Barros
April 29, 6:15pm ET

Russian forces made limited advances west of Severodonetsk on April 29 but remain stalled south of Izyum. Ukrainian forces in eastern Ukraine are likely successfully conducting a maneuver defense rather than holding static positions, redeploying mechanized reserves to resist attempted Russian advances. Concentrated Russian artillery is enabling minor Russian advances, but Ukrainian positions remain strong. Limited Ukrainian counterattacks around Kharkiv city may additionally force Russian forces to redeploy units intended for the Izyum axis to hold these positions.


Key Takeaways

  • Russian forces likely intend to leave a minimal force in Mariupol necessary to block Ukrainian positions in Azovstal and prevent partisan actions and are deploying as much combat power as possible to support offensive operations elsewhere.

  • Ukrainian forces are successfully slowing Russian attacks in eastern Ukraine, which secured only minor advances west of Severodonetsk and did not advance on the Izyum front in the last 24 hours.

  • Ukrainian counterattacks in Kharkiv are unlikely to develop into a major counteroffensive in the coming days but may force Russia to redeploy forces intended for the Izyum axis to hold their defensive positions around the city.

  • Ukrainian intelligence continued to warn that Russian false flag attacks in Transnistria are intended to draw Transnistria into the war in some capacity and coerce Moldova to abandon pro-European policies.
 
ds3000 said:
Yes mate, but seeing as we’re sitting at home typing on our keyboards it’s a bit weird to be emojiing this kind of stuff.
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I don't disagree, hence why I said I didn't feel it was appropriate. However, it's not a linear, 2D dimensional thing as we from afar may see it as.

There are posters on here who live much closer to the conflict than ourselves, potentially having lived under Russia's sphere themselves or their family.

Whether we agree with it or not, this will likely impact on their perspective. If you ask a Pole or Czech, they'll possibly be far more invested in this.

So it boils back to the same point - celebrating the success of Ukraine and its army is not automatically revelling in the deaths of individual Russians.

Rightly or wrongly, the way that some will celebrate that success may come across as awkward and wrong to some, but for others it may not. It's down to circs.

It's the same with the argument with tunes but over the videos, with the reasoning behind it being the target audience as it's ultimately propaganda.

Ukrainians will often like it; the further people move away, the more unpleasant it will come across. Every country at war has done something similar.
 
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