Current Affairs Ukraine

Status
Not open for further replies.
Can I remove Boris Johnson?

Would me speaking out get him removed from power?
That's a glib point mate, and in all sincerity you're more aware than that. Alone we can't, but that's not how politics and democracy works here and elsewhere.

As a collective however and by standing up and protesting/campaigning, yes you could be a part of the removal. As a collective, the Conservatives can be removed.

Likewise with Putin, the Russian people as a collective could annexe him from power. They removed another despot in 1917 when in a (slightly) similar situation.

If we want linear and naive answers, yes you can - you could try a Guy Fawkes. *I'm not suggesting this by the way.
 
Yes we can. If we all vote labour then they get booted. In Russia however all the elections are rigged so it would come down to the locals grabbing pitchforks, lighting torches and generally lynching all the Russian Duma.

They’ve done it before

Vive’ La Revolution!

Kin idiocy this! At what cost the last count Russian in their revolution was 5 million dead and of course it spawned Marxism dictatorships than went on to kill millions more. And again the controlled revolution of the Marxist fall led to what Russia is now, deregulated capitalism on steroids. Its greed of Western democracy that has empowered Putin to take what he wants more or less when he wants.
 
That's a glib point mate, and in all sincerity you're more aware than that. Alone we can't, but that's not how politics and democracy works here and elsewhere.

As a collective however and by standing up and protesting/campaigning, yes you could be a part of the removal. As a collective, the Conservatives can be removed.

Likewise with Putin, the Russian people as a collective could annexe him from power. They removed another despot in 1917 when in a (slightly) similar situation.

If we want linear and naive answers, yes you can - you could try a Guy Fawkes. *I'm not suggesting this by the way.
My point is, the Russian people cant change things any more than we can, you even admit its probably harder for them.

When we invaded Iraq, people didnt agree. Did the protests, the people speaking up change anything? Nope, we stayed there for years.

"We" like to think we would do things differently, but we, the British people, we get on our knees as much as the people we look down on, like the Russians and the Chinese. "We" could never be like them, but the reality is, we take the same as them and are just as powerless.

We hide behind elections that are won in the media.
 
My point is, the Russian people cant change things any more than we can, you even admit its probably harder for them.

When we invaded Iraq, people didnt agree. Did the protests, the people speaking up change anything? Nope, we stayed there for years.

"We" like to think we would do things differently, but we, the British people, we get on our knees as much as the people we look down on, like the Russians and the Chinese. "We" could never be like them, but the reality is, we take the same as them and are just as powerless.

We hide behind elections that are won in the media.
That's not to say that the protests can't work - you're confusing causation and correlation.

Rather, I'd say the protests either did not go far enough to create a tide for charge politically or socially, or more likely enough people were bothered.

We went into Iraq is 2003, under Labour, and they won the next election. Is that not to say the populous could not have driven change if the drive was there?

They could have. Look at Labour in '45 under Atlee or the successes of Wilson, where the people spoke at the ballot box to show their desire for change.

Equally under Blair or even the Conservatives in 2010. I think of the situation now with Johnson and I do truly believe that we could exert far more pressure.

But we're not. That's not just the system's fault nor can we say, "Oh, it wouldn't work." The Russian people could help make changes if they so wish.

It's harder for them due to his control on the media and security forces, however it didn't stop the Bolsheviks. It didn't stop the French Revolution.

It didn't stop the Indians eventually push for independence or those in Ireland and the Free States. I'm not saying it needs to be a coup d'état, but pressure.

If we, the UK votes, dislike Johnson enough then come the next election he could be sent to the cleaners.
 
If we, the UK votes, dislike Johnson enough then come the next election he could be sent to the cleaners.
Hes a PM who has broke the laws he set, not only is he still in his job, but he would get voted back in tomorrow and theres NOTHING I can do to change that.

Sure the will of the people can be heard, if enough are willing to be heard, but it takes the people to get united and we are not united in this kingdom.

The will of the Russian people is not strong enough, probably due to the constant stream of lies they are being told.
 
Kin idiocy this! At what cost the last count Russian in their revolution was 5 million dead and of course it spawned Marxism dictatorships than went on to kill millions more. And again the controlled revolution of the Marxist fall led to what Russia is now, deregulated capitalism on steroids. Its greed of Western democracy that has empowered Putin to take what he wants more or less when he wants.
Said tongue in cheek fella ?

Seriously though I see a coup in Russia’s ruling elite/military as the only way out of this mess
 
I find the sanctions thing slightly surreal. The world tells Russia, we’re shutting you down, but keep the gas coming please.

The gas comes via pipelines through Ukraine. There are pumping stations and other critical infrastructure within Ukraine keeping the gas flowing to Germany and other countries.

The kit must need maintenance and operational control within Ukraine. With Russia bombing the hell out of Ukraine, how and why the gas is still flowing is bizarre.

Big bang, oops don’t know what happened there. Get your gas out now Putin.

I get that supply interruption may not be great for Germany, but it would surely focus minds on stopping the carnage.

 

Ukraine war: Russia investigating reports of SAS 'sabotage' in western Lviv region​

Russia's main federal investigating authority says it will look at whether - according to a media report - the SAS has been sent in to "assist the Ukrainian special services in organising sabotage on the territory of Ukraine".

 
You need to put your western hatred to one side, Barry.

The big hope must be to deal with Putin and bring a halt to Russian aggression and to bring stability to Europe.

Then we can join hands with the world and walk toward utopia singing about a brighter future.
No western hatred with me buddy. Straight down the middle, just can’t do with the fony faux outrage.
 
I don't understand your point. It's whataboutism. I for one don't condone any of the west's actions that you mention.

What does it have to do with the detestable invasion of Ukraine by Russia?
Should ourselves and the US been banned from every olympics, euros, Ryder cup, F1, flushing medows etc since 2000?
 

Ukraine war: Russia investigating reports of SAS 'sabotage' in western Lviv region​

Russia's main federal investigating authority says it will look at whether - according to a media report - the SAS has been sent in to "assist the Ukrainian special services in organising sabotage on the territory of Ukraine".

UFSK have had some level of involvement in every major world conflict in the last forty to fifty years, so of course they'll be around in some shape or form.

I'd be surprised if they're anyway near the front line: it'll likely be to provide training and to help support decision making.
 
Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment

Russian forces continued offensive operations along multiple axes even as they completed moving reinforcements drawn from the retreat from Kyiv into the east and continued redeploying some forces from Mariupol to the north. The Russians have not taken time to refit troops moving from Kyiv or Mariupol before recommitting them to combat operations. They are not pausing offensive operations to wait until they have concentrated overwhelming combat power, and they do not appear to be massing forces on a few decisive axes of advance. They are continuing the pattern of operations they have followed throughout the war: committing small collections of units to widely dispersed attacks along multiple axes and refusing to accept necessary operational pauses to set conditions for decisive operations.


Russian forces have thus far only committed a handful of battalion tactical groups (BTGs) to offensive operations in their various sectors, however, and could still launch a massed offensive operation. We assess that such an operation is unlikely given observed patterns and the inherent limitations of available actual combat power in troops that have fought hard and suffered many casualties, as well as observed challenges with command-and-control at the regiment/brigade and division level. It is possible that the Russians are addressing or attempting to address some of those challenges and will soon launch an offensive in a new and better-coordinated form, but it remains unlikely.


The objectives of Russian offensives around the Izyum-Donetsk City salient are unclear. Russian forces may seek to reach the Izyum-Debaltseve road along two or more axes to encircle a large concentration of Ukrainian forces and built-up areas. Ukrainian officials suggested on April 23 that Russian forces near Rubizhne and Popasna may seek to encircle the Severodonetsk-Lysychansk area rather than pursue the deeper envelopment. It is too soon to evaluate the likelihood of this Russian course of action or the probability of its success.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Welcome

Join the Everton conversation today.
Fewer ads, full access, completely free.

🛒 Visit Shop

Support Grand Old Team by checking out our latest Everton gear!
Back
Top