Didn’t think they would be stupid enough to attempt to capture Kyiv. Guess I was wrong on that score. Can’t fix stupid
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Also makes you wonder - the sea looks calm in the video. Totally contradicting the Russian defence ministry statement and only serves to add further confusion as to why the SAM’s never engaged the neptunes.
All very strange
tsubaki
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It is a mystery, not least for navies (especially in the West) who may well now be required to pay even more respect to Soviet / Russian designed anti-ship missiles than before.
Certainly I wouldn’t be at all surprised if there’s more of a push for some form of air search radar UAV capability, even if it’s some primitive tethered thing that can just fly a few hundred meters above a given ship to give better range for shipboard defensive systems to pick very low flying stuff up.
If Ukraine does survive we should really get proper live-fire testing in place with them (and the Indians FWIW who have similar / more advanced tech) to see how our systems would deal with them.
Equivalent missiles are probably long overdue as well, or at least serious questions should be asked about whether anything we have would have done that.
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Ukrainian advisor to the mayor of Mariupol Petro Andryushenko claimed that DNR head Denis Pushilin opened an office of the United Russia party in Mariupol on April 15. This action likely indicates that the DNR is preparing to begin governing Mariupol (or what remains of it) soon. Andryushenko further claimed that Russian “filtration” measures are reaching a crescendo in Mariupol and that the Russians have announced a complete lockdown of the city on Monday, April 18, to allow them to complete the “filtration” process. The Battle of Mariupol and the fight in Donbas generally have cost the Russians and proxies dearly, however. Social media confirmed that the funeral of the deputy commander of the Russian 8th Combined Arms Army, Major General Vladimir Petrovich Frolov, was held on April 16.
Diogenes the Cynic
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Unfortunately they will never stop of their own accord.
Without being complied to stop they will hoover up nations, millions of people raped and killed.
A completely evil ideology.
Bluerover
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Putin is like Hitler reincarnated. I never thought I would see this kind of ruthless killing in my lifetime. Rwanda, Yugoslavia were horrible but this is off the scale. I warned weeks ago about the nuclear threat and was criticised on here as a scaremongerer - many countries' intelligence bods are now seriously fearing that this maniac will go there
Diogenes the Cynic
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It's why I don't see the point in the kid gloves approach.
Putin's thinking seems to be only complete acquiescence to Russia is the acceptable model for countries and I don't think pussyfooting around him keeps us or anyone else any safer.
Bluerover
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I just fear that a pre-emptive strike will lead to massive numbers of innocents being killed in Russia, and the obvious retaliation from Russia will mean devastation in Europe. We are really looking down the proverbial barrel at the moment. Is there any will in Russia to take him out like the attempted Valkyrie plot? From what I am seeing he is universally supported, so I fear there is not.
Shameful how much suffering has been caused by this tyrant and his minions
Spadge Vernacular
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‘Battlefield nukes’ in Ukraine? A low but complex threat.
The risk that Vladimir Putin might deploy tactical nuclear weapons in Ukraine is considered low. But for the U.S. and NATO, it calls for careful thinking about both deterrence and response.
I believe that live-fire testing had already taken place with the Ukranian Neptune v US Aegis equipped destroyers and also U.K. Type 45’s.
We are very much at the early-stage of drone tech/capability and as such I’m sure given what we’ve witnessed during this conflict that military R+D programs will be focused on new drone tech and integration.
As far as current “western” naval air defence systems go I think we are pretty covered. The U.K. has the S1850M LR 3D radar paired with Sampson (sea viper) utilising VLS Aster 15/30 SAM’s, whilst the US utilises the Aegis battle management system linked to AN/SPY1-6 radars and VLS SM-3 SAM’s.
Both of which are considered best in class.
As far as anti-ship missiles go - we really need to sort our stuff out. We recently retired harpoon (sort of) and we are supposed to be looking at next gen SSGW, however that is some way off. So we need an interim solution (supposed to be announced mid-may). It maybe extend the life cycle of harpoon, however harpoon meets none of the defined criteria so there are 4 alternatives we are looking at from Norway, Sweden, Israel and the US.
The US currently uses the Harpoon but is actively replacing it with a combination of its own designed AGM-158C and the Norwegian missile that we’re looking at.
Diogenes the Cynic
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I had hoped of civil unrest in Russia however it appears you are right, his support (publicly anyway) seems as high as ever indicating a siege mentality and even encouragement for genocide.
I'm not advocating a pre-emptive strike on Russia, down that road leads to the deaths of millions in minutes.
I would however with the full agreement of NATO actually fully equip Ukraine with everything below nuclear weaponry to enable them to actually drive back Russia and keep them back.
Russia never cares about troop losses, they will keep throwing Russian lives at something until they reach their objective or unless they are no longer battlefield functional, at which point they will wait and attack again when re-enabled.
If we don't do something at this level Ukraine will fall. Their resources become Russia's resources. Russia will wait then swallow up another country.
Bluerover
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Very good post. I just fear Putin doing the pre-emptive strike. Russia has switched off access to external information including internet for its people. It is now just like North Korea.
Therefore its population is getting brainwashed as regards what is going on, so the only hope is for a Valkyrie-like removal of Putin by high level military - I am not sure if the will is there however.
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