Haha! Coming from Liverpool, my ancestry is STEEPED with Irish forbears. Back two generations and you hit the names: McCormick, McConnell, Coughlan. And others of their family who on the censuses showed they were originally from Ireland.
Look, I would like to stay friendly with a fellow Blue. There were atrocities on all sides. The Holocaust unforgivable.
Going back hundreds of years, the British were the agressors in countless areas of the world. I'm perfectly aware of that. Go check the British machinations that led to the start of the Zulu war, for starters. An absolute disgrace! I'm taking issue with the fact that a certain poster has lingered on Hamburg and Dresden, that's all, and in so doing, appears to have a bias against the British (while not saying a thing about the German atrocities in WW2 I listed). That's all I'm saying.Ah yeah, because you were the victims and never aggressors in both world wars. Can give you the examples if you want, but you know your history so you should know them.
Definitely no civilian casualties and baseless slaughter by the great British army, in either World War, as well! No siree.
Mate my "attitude" to Hamburg and Dresden is horror at slaughter.
The thing is we've talked about the German atrocities quite at length here already and it kinda looked like whataboutism (similar to the "but America did so and so"), instead of what you were aiming for.
Great post mate.
Good. Then if you read one of my earlier posts, I simply said in the 'modern' war (i.e. WW2 particularly) the civilian was an integral part of the whole military infrastructure, in that they provided the workforce that built the military hardware for the war to continue to be prosecuted. That applied to us as well as them. My father was called up 3 times in WW2, and each time the company he worked for (the ATE on Edge Lane, later to become Plesseys) blocked his call-up as he was classed as being in a reserve occupation given his skills. I'm quite honest to admit he was every bit a legitimate target as the men on front line duties. That's all I'm saying. It wasn't a Waterloo June 1815 scenario, by WW2 it was something completely different. And we have to understand and accept that. We may totally deplore it (as I do), but it is a trueism...
In Ukraine now we are going to see something akin to a WWII style conflict.
There's soldiers on every side of the divide who enjoy (and enjoyed) their work too much; we're not talking about general military life, but rather destroying things.
How dare you accuse me of bias against Britain.
In January 1946, Major Cortez F. Enloe, a surgeon in the USAAF who worked on the United States Strategic Bombing Survey (USSBS), said that the fire effects of the atomic bomb dropped on Nagasaki "were not nearly as bad as the effects of the R.A.F. raids on Hamburg on July 27th 1943". He estimated that more than 40,000 people died in Hamburg.
From what I know, 'mack' and 'mick' are both offshoots of Gaelic, and so are found in both Ireland and Scotland. My branch of the family with the 'mick' were definitely of Irish descent.
