tsubaki
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read yours, pete…..
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read yours, pete…..
peteblue
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I have, and I’ve read yours, and yours are quite disgraceful tbh.….
peteblue
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Russia, should be treated as a pariah state, sanctioned to the hilt and kept out of western society for at least twenty years. Yes Putin is the criminal, but he can’t operate on his own. They should be cut off completely…..
tsubaki
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Well let’s see - on the one hand I am supporting peace talks that the Ukrainians themselves think are progressing well, and on the other you’ve spent three years cheerleading a party funded by Russian money, who twice ignored the murder of U.K. citizens at Russian hands, a party led by a person who ennobled Lebedev and who still hasn’t reversed his defence cuts.
So again, I think your posts are rather more pro-Russian than mine are.
peteblue
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No, you are just trying to blame the conservatives. They did not invade Ukraine, and they have done more than most of Europe in supporting them. You on the other hand would see the invader escape with a good portion of Ukraine , having destroyed a country and murdered its citizens. You can play any politics and word games you want with this but we can all see….
tsubaki
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No, I am trying to point out that if anyone in this debate is pro-Russian it is you. What did the government you support do in 2014 when Crimea was seized and the two republics broke away again? Wasn’t it nothing?
What I want is peace, based on mutual talks between Russia and Ukraine that leads to an agreed settlement. That is after all how most wars end. After that, I want a secure Ukraine that can get on with its life in peace and freedom.
That is in their and our interests, and to be called pro-Russian for saying that is something I’d expect from you.
peteblue
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@Diogenes the Cynic nailed you on this and he was spot on. Everybody wants peace, but not at any price……
tsubaki
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he wasn't, and thanks for not engaging with anything I said
peteblue
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You said most wars end in an agreed settlement. They don’t. They end with one party winning and dictating a settlement. Russia is now trying to get what it can having been kicked out of the west of Ukraine. You, like Germany and France would be happy to give away Ukraine’s sovereignty to an aggressor…unless you say otherwise of course….
tsubaki
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No, I'd be happy for Ukraine to decide what it wants to do in this situation. Obviously that would prevent Johnson doing his Churchill cosplay, and prevent you banging your pathetic little anti-European drum over this issue, but that is a price we should all be happy to pay.
Spadge Vernacular
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Ukraine: civilian casualty update 3 April 2022
Date: 3 April 2022
From 4 a.m. on 24 February 2022, when the Russian Federation’s armed attack against Ukraine started, to 24:00 midnight on 2 April 2022 (local time), the Office of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) recorded 3,455 civilian casualties in the country: 1,417 killed and 2,038 injured. This included:
- a total of 1,417 killed (293 men, 201 women, 22 girls, and 40 boys, as well as 59 children and 802 adults whose sex is yet unknown)
- a total of 2,038 injured (241 men, 187 women, 41 girls, and 38 boys, as well as 92 children and 1,439 adults whose sex is yet unknown)
- In Donetsk and Luhansk regions: 1,504 casualties (468 killed and 1,036 injured)
- On Government-controlled territory: 1,185 casualties (401 killed and 784 injured)
- On territory controlled by the self-proclaimed ‘republics’: 319 casualties (67 killed and 252 injured)
- In other regions of Ukraine (the city of Kyiv, and Cherkasy, Chernihiv, Kharkiv, Kherson, Kyiv, Mykolaiv, Odesa, Sumy, Zaporizhzhia, Dnipropetrovsk and Zhytomyr regions), which were under Government control when casualties occurred: 1,951 casualties (949 killed and 1,002 injured)
- In Donetsk and Luhansk regions: 1,504 casualties (468 killed and 1,036 injured)
Ukraine: civilian casualty update 3 April 2022
Date: 3 April 2022 From 4 a.m. on 24 February 2022, when the Russian Federation’s armed attack against Ukraine started, to 24:00 midnight on 2 April 2022 (local time), the Office of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) recorded 3,455 civilian casualties in the country: 1,417 killed...
peteblue
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This has nothing to do with Johnson et al, just tell us all what you would settle for……
tsubaki
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It’s right there pete - what the Ukrainians are happy with, I’d be happy with.
I see you’ve been backing the pro Russian candidates on the French election thread as well by the way…..
peteblue
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Ukraine: civilian casualty update 3 April 2022
Date: 3 April 2022
From 4 a.m. on 24 February 2022, when the Russian Federation’s armed attack against Ukraine started, to 24:00 midnight on 2 April 2022 (local time), the Office of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) recorded 3,455 civilian casualties in the country: 1,417 killed and 2,038 injured. This included:
Most of the civilian casualties recorded were caused by the use of explosive weapons with a wide impact area, including shelling from heavy artillery and multiple launch rocket systems, and missile and air strikes.
- a total of 1,417 killed (293 men, 201 women, 22 girls, and 40 boys, as well as 59 children and 802 adults whose sex is yet unknown)
- a total of 2,038 injured (241 men, 187 women, 41 girls, and 38 boys, as well as 92 children and 1,439 adults whose sex is yet unknown)
- In Donetsk and Luhansk regions: 1,504 casualties (468 killed and 1,036 injured)
- On Government-controlled territory: 1,185 casualties (401 killed and 784 injured)
- On territory controlled by the self-proclaimed ‘republics’: 319 casualties (67 killed and 252 injured)
- In other regions of Ukraine (the city of Kyiv, and Cherkasy, Chernihiv, Kharkiv, Kherson, Kyiv, Mykolaiv, Odesa, Sumy, Zaporizhzhia, Dnipropetrovsk and Zhytomyr regions), which were under Government control when casualties occurred: 1,951 casualties (949 killed and 1,002 injured)
Ukraine: civilian casualty update 3 April 2022
Date: 3 April 2022 From 4 a.m. on 24 February 2022, when the Russian Federation’s armed attack against Ukraine started, to 24:00 midnight on 2 April 2022 (local time), the Office of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) recorded 3,455 civilian casualties in the country: 1,417 killed...www.ohchr.org
It’s unbelieveable that this could have happened in Europe in this day and age……..
Spadge Vernacular
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Unfortunately the architect of this horror show has been busy putting plans in place for a long time. The article below evidencing some handiwork.
Russia Ramps up Global Elections Interference: Lessons for the United States | Strategic Technologies Blog | CSIS
Although Moscow has interfered in elections in post-Soviet states for decades, Russian interference through cyberattacks, hack-and-leak operations, and online disinformation campaigns has escalated throughout Europe in recent years.
He does need to be dealt with IMO as I cannot see anyway that he will stop with this disgrace. The west has a true challenge to the post WWII order and I would hate to see what the world would look like should this authoritarian grab for power win.
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