Current Affairs Ukraine

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BrendanGOT said:
But flip to the other side of the coin and the answer can't be WW3 or just keep giving the Ukraines weapons until theyre wiped out and forced to go to the negotiation table anyway.

Maybe giving him what he wants on the Donbass Republics and Crimea would be enough. I don't know. The point is with good leaders in charge they would figure this out. All our leaders have done is further escalate it.

And yes I believe the USA /NATO share their own portion of blame in leading up to where we are now but that doesn't absolve Putin either. The only people suffering are the Ukrainians
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You’re wrong. Putin will not stop. He took Chechnya, he took Georgia, he took Crimea - NATO had nothing to do with these nations/states. No - he took them as part of his rebuilding of the old Soviet Union, the loss of which haunts Putin.

Give him Donbass and it’s a green light for him to take Transanistra and Moldova. What’s next? Internal destabilisation of one or more of the Baltic states and then he installs a pro-Kremlin stooge who then decides to sack off NATO?

NATO and the world are guilty of not stopping him sooner. This time his beloved FSB/GRU let him down badly. Ukraine has put up a mighty resistance (aided by NATO, terrain, weather and general Russian incompetence).

Zelensky may ultimately have to concede some territory but he will not demilitarise, he just needs a stronger negotiating position. Time will give this to him. The longer this goes on the weaker Putin’s position becomes.
 
PeregrineT said:
So, in one breath you say "You dont know" and that the leaders have done it wrong. If you have no clue, which is evident from your complete lack of understanding of the situation and history and who Putin is and literally what he has said THIS month(which at least you admit you dont know), then how the hell can you know the way leaders are handling it is wrong, considering they know way more than you.

Not to say they are actually handling it right, just to point out how massively full of it you are, with statements like that, and that "maybe give the evil guy exactly what he wants and he will go away". Putin absolutely relies on people like you to get anywhere.
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What a load of rubbish. Did you even read what you just wrote there or just angrily type that and hit send? What's the solution then WW3? OK.

I say I don't know because I don't know the solution, none of us do. But our leaders taking escalating actions doesn't solve it. Don't see what you're confused about there in what I wrote.

To say I have a lack of understanding is funny when you come out with that post. Thankfully you're not in charge as "giving the evil man" some of what he wants to avoid nuclear conflict and reach a settlement is what has to happen.

It's not giving him what he wants completely either as it's giving him a region of the Donbass Republics who consider themselves Russian anyway in an attempt to negotiate. Maybe that's a start to de-escalate the situation.

"Putin relies on people like me" ???. You don't know me. What a load of tosh. I've literally said multiple times he's wrong and I can throw that crap straight back at you then, warmongers rely on people like you and your fuax rage. Where you this outraged at the war crimes in Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan or does it only matter when its white people?
 
Mutzo Nutzo said:
You’re wrong. Putin will not stop. He took Chechnya, he took Georgia, he took Crimea - NATO had nothing to do with these nations/states. No - he took them as part of his rebuilding of the old Soviet Union, the loss of which haunts Putin.

Give him Donbass and it’s a green light for him to take Transanistra and Moldova. What’s next? Internal destabilisation of one or more of the Baltic states and then he installs a pro-Kremlin stooge who then decides to sack off NATO?

NATO and the world are guilty of not stopping him sooner. This time his beloved FSB/GRU let him down badly. Ukraine has put up a mighty resistance (aided by NATO, terrain, weather and general Russian incompetence).

Zelensky may ultimately have to concede some territory but he will not demilitarise, he just needs a stronger negotiating position. Time will give this to him. The longer this goes on the weaker Putin’s position becomes.
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Literally what I have been saying is in your last paragraph. I don't think demilitarisation happens but I think conceding the Donbass Republics is probably necessary if we're to go down the road of avoiding all out world war.

The point I'm making is, even if I am wrong and what you say is right, and he continues with his imperialist ideas after the fact, we have to at least try first of all to negotiate and work something out to de-escalate the whole thing and keep Ukraine sovereign while avoiding WW3 /nuclear war
 
BrendanGOT said:
Literally what I have been saying is in your last paragraph. I don't think demilitarisation happens but I think conceding the Donbass Republics is probably necessary if we're to go down the road of avoiding all out world war.

The point I'm making is, even if I am wrong and what you say is right, and he continues with his imperialist ideas after the fact, we have to at least try first of all to negotiate and work something out to de-escalate the whole thing and keep Ukraine sovereign while avoiding WW3 /nuclear war
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All I want is peace. Peace! Peace! A little piece of Poland, a little piece of France.…..
 
People often talking "why world didn't stopped him", but in reality this isn't world vs Russia, its America and Europe.

China and India are on Russian side, from what i'm seeing, Middle East (i wonder why), South America and a lot of African state sympathize with Russia. Battle lines are already being drawn.
 
BrendanGOT said:
Literally what I have been saying is in your last paragraph. I don't think demilitarisation happens but I think conceding the Donbass Republics is probably necessary if we're to go down the road of avoiding all out world war.

The point I'm making is, even if I am wrong and what you say is right, and he continues with his imperialist ideas after the fact, we have to at least try first of all to negotiate and work something out to de-escalate the whole thing and keep Ukraine sovereign while avoiding WW3 /nuclear war
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I didn’t say the Donbass “republic” as a whole I said concede some territory (within those regions) as per the territorial lines before the invasion.

However at this time Putin wants all the Donbass including the port City of Mariupol, giving him a land-corridor to Crimea. Zelensky must not give this to him.

As I said the best position for negotiation is for Ukraine and world sanctions to keep hurting Putin.

Personally I think Russia already know they cannot defeat Ukraine so they are destroying as much of their industry and infrastructure as they can.
 
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