Current Affairs Ukraine

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Martin Alvito said:
It's more or less where this has to land.

The problem may be getting the EU/NATO/et al countries to ease off on the sanctions. Getting Russia to sign a peace deal will be difficult unless that happens, but legislators in Western capitals are under a lot of pressure to turn the screws. That pressure may abate as the economic consequences start to take full hold, or it may not.


It's important to realize that both Ukraine and Russia are telling lies. Propaganda is part of war. As you are intimating, it doesn't follow that those lies are equivalent in quantity or substance. One side clearly has a lot more for which to atone.
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I personally don't think the sanctions ever come off now. Maybe some private businesses will ease theirs and go back to trade in Russia but I think trade deals between countries etc and other things the govt have power over won't come back to Russia. I think the Russia /West cooperation is effectively over at least while Putins in charge, maybe longer.

He'll look to China /India etc for trade imo. Already building a gas pipe to China too I believe.
 
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Bruce Wayne said:
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Yeah, but you know, I am trying to be edgy and that's just Ukraine propaganda, and you know...the USA bombed Japan once, and uh the media is biased, so could be fake. I'm an expert on this stuff, at least as of two weeks ago. My hot take is that there is propaganda out there, so you know...who knows what to believe. DERP
 
verreauxi said:
Yeah, but you know, I am trying to be edgy and that's just Ukraine propaganda, and you know...the USA bombed Japan once, and uh the media is biased, so could be fake. I'm an expert on this stuff, at least as of two weeks ago. My hot take is that there is propaganda out there, so you know...who knows what to believe. DERP
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Mate, I am not saying that Ukraine is snow white, but bombing a hospital and civilians is absolutely horrendous. All war is just wrong
 
BrendanGOT said:
I personally don't think the sanctions ever come off now. Maybe some private businesses will ease theirs and go back to trade in Russia but I think trade deals between countries etc and other things the govt have power over won't come back to Russia. I think the Russia /West cooperation is effectively over at least while Putins in charge, maybe longer.

He'll look to China /India etc for trade imo. Already building a gas pipe to China too I believe.
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If Trump gets back in the US sanctions on Russia would disappear almost immediately, I think.
 
davmaher said:
If Trump gets back in the US sanctions on Russia would disappear almost immediately, I think.
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You're probably right there but that's a whole different kettle of fish! I think the Rep party would run that Dos Santos guy anyway, he seems popular with their ones and not as divisive as Trump.
I mean the prices of everything rising could hurt Bidens chances of re-election as the economy is everything when it comes to staying in power and its not great atm but 2 years from now could be a different story hopefully.

They do however have elections for the house coming up in Nov. Now I'm not sure on the ins and outs of USA politics, maybe one of our American friends can correct me but if Republicans won the house and if it was Republican perogative to lift the sanctions I think maybe they could make it very difficult for Biden but again I'm not 100% on that. Imo the sanctions stay anyway as its more than just USA imposing them. I think if anyone was to break first it would be one of the countries that maybe rely on Russia heavily for gas etc not USA.
 
verreauxi said:
Yeah, but you know, I am trying to be edgy and that's just Ukraine propaganda, and you know...the USA bombed Japan once, and uh the media is biased, so could be fake. I'm an expert on this stuff, at least as of two weeks ago. My hot take is that there is propaganda out there, so you know...who knows what to believe. DERP
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Grow up
 
BrendanGOT said:
I don't even know what you're trying to insinuate there. Why not just say what you're assuming instead of a soundbite for likes. Also what I said is true.. Ghost of Ukraine and Snake Island for example were BS. As I'm sure Russia are pumping out their own version of events. Bit naive to think our side don't play the game too like
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I've booked the Morrison's car park for after Musk and Putin have finished. Bring your feather knuckle dusters.
 
verreauxi said:
Touched a nerve here. Hmmmm. I wonder why you responded to my post? Gee that's a tough one.
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Because you were having a pop at me like a child for having a slightly different view on events yet you didn't have the nads to tag me. Like I say just grow up and be an adult. You dont have to agree with my take on the situation that's fine, others do in here and others don't but they do so like adults and vice versa.

If you want an echo chamber put me on ignore its that simple mate. However if you want to put childish insults and veiled digs aside and discuss the Ukraine situation then by all means let's do that. We're all friends and Blues in here
 
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