Boris's logic is that we cant go all in on sanctions now, otherwise there will be nothing left in the economic armoury to either deter, or react to a the full scale invasion which is still strongly suspected. Sounds rational tbh.
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Kev The Rat
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Honestly dont think Putin gives a toss about sanctions. I think he is now of the opinion he has held off for too long.
tsubaki
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I think it’s more like he can’t offend the City by cutting its slush money off - I mean, we didn’t react appropriately after Putin murdered nearly 300 people (including two Brits), nor after his agents left a chemical weapon lying around for some poor bloke to pick up and give to his wife.
May well be the case mate. In which case it would be incidental which sanctions are or aren't brought in either today or later. But in terms of politics, if BoJo went for the full package now, then how should we react if/when Vlad goes for Kiev?
I don't get it really. Pretty much Putin's whole schtick is that Russia is mighty and powerful and the west is weak and decadent. This episode merely confirms this image, and yet we expect him to back down because of it.
TheSouthernBlue
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I hope peace comes to Ukraine shortly. If this becomes a war with troops on the ground fighting then I hope the US and UK ask the Saudi’s to open the oil taps fully and nose dive oil prices to below the cost of what Russia can produce it for. It’s happened before which hurt their economy shortly before the collapse of the USSR, it can happen again.
Exactly. It’ll be tiered based on how the crisis escalates because say, the Russians fell back today, would the sanctions be removed?
Kev The Rat
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Given what we know of the wests reaction so far, they will probably withdraw NATO troops from Poland for fear of an invasion
That's what may happen, but what should happen?
Again, no chance. The US are already selling 250+ top notch M1A2 Abrams to the Poles, which is pretty unique as most exports are M1A1.
Kev The Rat
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we have absolutely no evidence that the west would actually fight for 'any' NATO member - because its never happened in history, and we can see how they have scrambled around avoiding getting involved in the Ukraine for years for fear of conflict.
tsubaki
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er - it has happened, after 9/11
FrenchDarrenBent
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A lot of fantasy-scenario's on here.
What happened last time: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Russia–Saudi_Arabia_oil_price_war
Kev The Rat
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I dont count counter-terrorism
That's because it was America that was "under attack" though. Contrast that with Gingrich's remarks from a few years ago questioning whether America would go to war to protect [Estonia] a country that is basically the suburbs of St Petersburg. Since Suez, I can't imagine any European armed force doing anything if America isn't bothered.
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