Current Affairs Ukraine

[SteveSC]

Nato, Europe and the States have manipulated, gutted and raped them countries.

Ah come of it. If this isnt a windup and you are serious this os so ridiculous mate.

So let me get this straight.

The soviets who moved in to most of them right after WWII. Who implanted people from their small towns so as to have them populate.

They then stayed for what 40 years.

Imposing harsh laws and arresting and killing anyone who disagreed.

Taking whatever resource they wanted too.

They weren't the issue but an organization setup to combat their movement through Europe are the real issue.

Ask the people in East Germany how their time was with the soviets. Ask the women who were actually raped while their husband's and brothers were shot.

Put the drugs down mate this is actually one of the worse take on European history worse than Kev.

Have you ever talked to anyone from any of those countries about any of this? I suspect not if this is your take away.

 

[bluebud]

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It was deleted, was about a third SU 25 being shot down today, posted about the first one earlier, here’s the second. It may have been confirmed as different footage of the first or second one.

 

[Groucho]

I imagine Putin is currently like the scene in Downfall where Hitler loses it.

 

[LinekersLegs]

 

[LinekersLegs]

Only Sweden, Finland and Austria remains out of NATO i believe

Anyway battle lines are drawn, USA, Europe, Canada, Australia, Japan, S. Korea on one side
Russia and China (plus India is very close to Russia), Middle East hate us (with a very good reason), Africa and South America just go with it, though i noticed going through comments on social media a lot of people there sympathize with Russia, especially a lot of South Americans seems to despise USA

Don’t think you can say that China is on the Russians side tbh after some of their recent financial actions.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

Only Sweden, Finland and Austria remains out of NATO i believe

Anyway battle lines are drawn, USA, Europe, Canada, Australia, Japan, S. Korea on one side
Russia and China (plus India is very close to Russia), Middle East hate us (with a very good reason), Africa and South America just go with it, though i noticed going through comments on social media a lot of people there sympathize with Russia, especially a lot of South Americans seems to despise USA

It's just like Emmanuel Goldstein predicted...

 

[stipe]

Don’t think you can say that China is on the Russians side tbh after some of their recent financial actions.

Yesterday was in news that Russians and Chinese signed some big pipeline contract. But yeah, there is no much love between Russians and Chinese, but they share same enemy and they gonna stay on the same side no matter what Chinese says, "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" kind of relationship
Apparently they even knew about invasion and asked Putin to postpone it until Olympics end.

 

[bluebud]

It really looks like the Russian army has been battered and is close to finished, just got to hope he doesn’t lash out and intensify bombing the cities?

 

[stipe]

It really looks like the Russian army has been battered and is close to finished, just got to hope he doesn’t lash out and intensify bombing the cities?

This reports coming from one side are just too optimistic (like that 9000 Russian dead report). I very much doubt Russian army is "finished" after only a week of war

 

[Gabagool]

Only Sweden, Finland and Austria remains out of NATO i believe

Anyway battle lines are drawn, USA, Europe, Canada, Australia, Japan, S. Korea on one side
Russia and China (plus India is very close to Russia), Middle East hate us (with a very good reason), Africa and South America just go with it, though i noticed going through comments on social media a lot of people there sympathize with Russia, especially a lot of South Americans seems to despise USA

Saw a tweet recently from a Peruvian guy along the lines of:

'How many times does the CIA have to depose democratically elected socialist governments in Central America before you understand that socialism doesn't work?'

Might be a good indication as to their thoughts on Uncle Sam's meddling as soon as there's an economic/political movement within the US's general vicinity that goes against their primary strategic interests (see: Monroe Doctrine).

 

[LinekersLegs]

Yesterday was in news that Russians and Chinese signed some big pipeline contract. But yeah, there is no much love between Russians and Chinese, but they share same enemy and they gonna stay on the same side no matter what Chinese says, "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" kind of relationship
Apparently they even knew about invasion and asked Putin to postpone it until Olympics end.

Agree on the last bit about advance knowledge and didn’t care about Ukraine being invaded.

Not so sure about the “gonna stay on the same side” though - China’s only side is China.

Whilst China is Russia’s number one trade partner iirc Russia is China’s 9th biggest so, whilst China probably will accept some pain to its economy to hurt the West, it won’t yoke itself to an economic basket case that large. I genuinely dodn’t think either Russia or China anticipated the severity of these sanctions - they really are brutal.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

I have nothing but admiration for all those trapped by the evil western Empire who long for the utopian life on offer in Russia, North Korea, China and the like but are being held prisoners by the capitalist overlords!

 

[Martin Alvito]

Don’t think you can say that China is on the Russians side tbh after some of their recent financial actions.

China is walking an interesting tightrope. They stand to gain, relatively speaking, from the Russians running out of alternatives, but they are also concerned about secondary sanctions.

They're pushing Putin's propaganda line, which I'd say puts them squarely on Putin's side, but they're being very cautious about it. On the one hand, the absolute last thing they need is Putin's collapse and replacement with a pro-Western government. That would let the US focus on the South China Sea and Taiwan. That said, the government's legitimacy is derived from economic prosperity, and they don't want the US and Europe training their financial arsenal on them.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

Agree on the last bit about advance knowledge and didn’t care about Ukraine being invaded.

Not so sure about the “gonna stay on the same side” though - China’s only side is China.

Whilst China is Russia’s number one trade partner iirc Russia is China’s 9th biggest so, whilst China probably will accept some pain to its economy to hurt the West, it won’t yoke itself to an economic basket case that large. I genuinely dodn’t think either Russia or China anticipated the severity of these sanctions - they really are brutal.

I have read accounts that China were not fully consulted on the plan to invade and were caught off guard. No one really knows tbf, but you're right China will want stability as it benefits them.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

China is walking an interesting tightrope. They stand to gain, relatively speaking, from the Russians running out of alternatives, but they are also concerned about secondary sanctions.

They're pushing Putin's propaganda line, which I'd say puts them squarely on Putin's side, but they're being very cautious about it. On the one hand, the absolute last thing they need is Putin's collapse and replacement with a pro-Western government. That would let the US focus on the South China Sea and Taiwan. That said, the government's legitimacy is derived from economic prosperity, and they don't want the US and Europe training their financial arsenal on them.

Let's not forget 'the West' are a significant trading partner for the Chinese. As are Russia, actually. As you say, they must be looking at the sanctions thinking "hmmmm, we don't fancy thst much".