Current Affairs Ukraine

[TommyDavo]

breaking news, white house confirms 90 minute talk between putin and trump earlier today.

End of days.

Looks like Putin is accepting he’s failed to achieve what he wanted. He will accept his defeat shortly

 

[davek]

According to Nick Watts on Newsnight the British defence establishment are furious that Ukraine have been sold down the river to Putin.

 

[JammyP]

While we can still post in this, can I just say that Trump's intervention on Ukraine is an unlrincipled betrayal of every liberty and every principle of international conduct, and it is a direct threat to every citizen of Europe.

He is execrable

 

[whiteshadow]

Ukraine should be repaying every nation in Europe that subsidised their hopeless war every penny handed to them.

If the US want to go to transactional politcs then we can do it that way too.

Ukraine has been defending Europe from Russia. All European countries should be paying them to be defending free democratic societies from tyranny.

You're just a selfish, gutless **** who cares more about himself than protecting innocent people from oppression.

Not sure which is greater, your lack of intelligence or compassion.

You lack the moral compass to realize what a d**k you are.

 

[Hinchcliffe's Corner]

Ladies and Gents, the Ukrainian Thunderdome.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

While we can still post in this, can I just say that Trump's intervention on Ukraine is an unlrincipled betrayal of every liberty and every principle of international conduct, and it is a direct threat to every citizen of Europe.

He is execrable

"Peace in our time".

 

[davek]

Ukraine has been defending Europe from Russia. All European countries should be paying them to be defending free democratic societies from tyranny.

You're just a selfish, gutless **** who cares more about himself than protecting innocent people from oppression.

Not sure which is greater, your lack of intelligence or compassion.

You lack the moral compass to realize what a d**k you are.

It's people like you who are getting this forum shut down.

 

[davek]

While we can still post in this, can I just say that Trump's intervention on Ukraine is an unlrincipled betrayal of every liberty and every principle of international conduct, and it is a direct threat to every citizen of Europe.

He is execrable

Trump is a transactional monster, there's no getting away from that. A disaster for the American people in terms of the quality of their civic life.

However, his transactional nature abroad has the silver lining of not being interventionist like all other US Presidents - especially Democratic ones - and that a murderous war in Ukraine will be halted...and I bet there aren't too many Ukrainians mothers and fathers who have a bad word to say about him today because he'll save their sons lives by taking the actions he'll take. Only keyboard warriors and idiots who think something noble is being fought for when it's really just the policy of a Ukrainian leadership who are the puppets of NATO and the bag men of oligarchs.

The exception, of course, is what he's trying to pull off in Gaza. That's a different kettle of fish and should be condemned by all right minded people.

 

[dublinbluenose]

Trump is a transactional monster, there's no getting away from that. A disaster for the American people in terms of the quality of their civic life.

However, his transactional nature abroad has the silver lining of not being interventionist like all other US Presidents - especially Democratic ones - and that a murderous war in Ukraine will be halted...and I bet there aren't too many Ukrainians mothers and fathers who have a bad word to y about him today because he'll save their sons lives by taking the actions he'll take.

The exception, of course, is what he's trying to pull off in Gaza. That's a different kettle of fish and should be condemned by all right minded people.

Trump has no clear principles so to claim he is non-interventionist isn't based on anything really. Whether we like it or not, the US took on the role of world police willingly as it gave the US enormous strength and influence.

Trump has, probably irrevocably, ceeded that role to who, we can't know yet. China will be a big beneficiary in the medium and probably long term.


I doubt any Ukrainian Mother is happy at what Trump's suggested path will be because it's appeasement and nothing more.

 

[Xizor]

his transactional nature abroad has the silver lining ... The exception, of course, is what he's trying to pull off in Gaza.

You have the self-awareness (and consistency) of a blancmange, and you have no right to speak for "all right minded people" given that the closest you come to being 'right minded' is scouring rags like the Mail and Telegraph and getting your opinions directly from Trump's evangelist and pro wrestling pals.

 

[davek]

Trump has no clear principles so to claim he is non-interventionist isn't based on anything really. Whether we like it or not, the US took on the role of world police willingly as it gave the US enormous strength and influence.
Trump has, probably irrevocably, ceeded that role to who, we can't know yet. China will be a big beneficiary in the medium and probably long term.
I doubt any Ukrainian Mother is happy at what Trump's suggested path will be because it's appeasement and nothing more.

They'll still have their sons...do you think they value their lives less than avoiding a word like 'appeasement'?

Wars benefit rulers, not the ruled.

 

[dublinbluenose]

They'll still have their sons...do you think they value their lives less than avoiding a word like 'appeasement'?

Wars benefit rulers, not the ruled.

That's all based on Putin not invading again and keeping to whatever agreement is agreed. Russia has never kept to any International agreement it has ever entered into.

Edit: I wonder if Polish mothers in 1939 breathe a sigh of relief when Neville Chamberlain touched down back in England?

 

[davek]

You have the self-awareness (and consistency) of a blancmange, and you have no right to speak for "all right minded people" given that the closest you come to being 'right minded' is scouring rags like the Mail and Telegraph and getting your opinions directly from Trump's evangelist and pro wrestling pals.

NATO is unravelling, the Euro countries and the UK have their economies to sort out.

Wars ending is a good thing believe it or not.

You could only deny the end of the Ukrainian War is a good thing if you believed the western media crap that it represented a fight between democracy and tyranny. Ukraine was and will continue to be a toilet for democracy. It's a kleptocratic regime controlled by gangsters. Only the war marginalised some of their activities and they'll resume them shortly and in full.

Just be thankful that tens of thousands more innocent Ukrainians haven't been sent to their deaths to prop up a clown like Zelensky.

 

[davek]

That's all based on Putin not invading again and keeping to whatever agreement is agreed. Russia has never kept to any International agreement it has ever entered into.

Edit: I wonder if Polish mothers in 1939 breathe a sigh of relief when Neville Chamberlain touched down back in England?

Yeah, because the two scenarios are exactly the same.

 

[tsubaki]

The reaction from Europe has to be greater strategic autonomy and much greater defence cooperation. Some of us were calling for it in 2020, and again in 2022 but the wolf is at the door now.

It doesn’t have to be a European army (though that would be a good idea) but common equipment, production (including excess capacity) and doctrine are a must. This needs to be as independent of the US and unreliable allies (Israel) as possible.