Current Affairs Ukraine

[Spadge Vernacular]

Industry reports suggesting the initial inceident from one of the tankers was heavy seas/storms.

https://www.marineinsight.com/shipp...ills-nearly-4000-tons-of-oil-in-kerch-strait/

 

[edge]

They do.

It's been a criminal targeting of civilians by the Russians in this war.

But there'll be tit for tat here. Zelensky just signed off a death sentence on some top military personnel...then again, he's not arsed as his orders have cost 100,000 Ukrainian military lives so far (according to the yanks).

Never works out well leaders issuing order, best leave to the military.

 

[tmgc]

I heard Zelenskyy himself scuba dove down there with a James Bond underwater blowtorch and carved them up personally before writing "My wife needs more Western cash" on the wrecks.

He was wearing a wetsuit with Baines 3 on the back allegedly.

 

[Bryan+]

That could lead to a lot of assassinations.

Lead to? Dave you not that naive. Unless this is intentional rage baiting for a response. It’s clear Russians have committed war crimes amongst assassinations on foreign soil to justify their actions. You don’t need references here I won’t insult your intelligence here so please don’t insult ours.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

If this trend in the economy continues, there won't be much of a Russia for its troops to return to.

 

[COYBL25]

If this trend in the economy continues, there won't be much of a Russia for its troops to return to.

This is what defeat looks like.

 

[davek]

Lead to? Dave you not that naive. Unless this is intentional rage baiting for a response. It’s clear Russians have committed war crimes amongst assassinations on foreign soil to justify their actions. You don’t need references here I won’t insult your intelligence here so please don’t insult ours.

I never said they dont do that. You mistake me for someone who thinks the Russians have clean hands on this.

I'm merely stating that tit begets tat...

 

[Rita_Poon]

I read one of them was a 'cut and shut' tanker that had the middle bit taken out and broke up along the weld seam.

But of course that's just hysterical propaganda.

I caught that as well, someone did a 'ringer' job on an already unseaworthy tanker. I wonder who the insurers are...

 

[Bryan+]

I never said they dont do that. You mistake me for someone who thinks the Russians have clean hands on this.

I'm merely stating that tit begets tat...

I think public assassination of very public figures are likely a response from Ukraine in the face of the very public threat they are facing, it’s not rocket science but play in mud, you’ll get dirty. I wouldn’t play dirty tricks with Russia. This wouldn’t surprise me if this is CIA and NSA supporting their effort, it’s easy money.

 

[davek]

I think public assassination of very public figures are likely a response from Ukraine in the face of the very public threat they are facing, it’s not rocket science but play in mud, you’ll get dirty. I wouldn’t play dirty tricks with Russia. This wouldn’t surprise me if this is CIA and NSA supporting their effort, it’s easy money.

It's the dying embers of a war petering out.

This is just short of endgame for the Ukrainians and assassination and sinking tankers is pretty much all they have left.

 

[John from Bootle]

This is just getting silly now. So we need to be on a war footing or we're gonna be in big, big trouble in 4 or 5 years he says...

Why? Are we gonna be officially at war with Russia by then? Best just make sure we're well stocked up on weapons then eh? What other course of action is there?

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm all for countries being able to defend themselves, but the fact of the matter is, Ukraine can't win this unless the Russian people turn on Putin.

Truth be told I'm sick of NATO now. Sick of us supposedly having to line the pockets of arms manufacturers to defend ourselves. Wouldn't bother me in the slightest if we got rid of all of our nukes. In fact I'd welcome it. I genuinely believe we don't need them. I'd much rather they spent the money on fortifying the country against invasion than nukes. Russia are struggling (but very slowly getting there) to overwhelm their next door neighbour, what chance would they have of trying to conquer our island(s) if we put a lot more spending in to actually protecting against that?

Some might say that we can't retaliate if they decide to nuke us. So what? It will be no consolation to me once I've been vaporised that we've fired some back at them.

There's no other way to take what NATO have said there than we're headed for war. Any chance we could try and stop it then?

 

[Rita_Poon]

hmmm.

 

[Eidean]

There's no other way to take what NATO have said there than we're headed for war. Any chance we could try and stop it then?

Yes there is.

The simple fact is, plenty of countries need to either spend more on defence or massively change the way they spend their money.

“If you want peace, prepare for war”

 

[Bryan+]

This is just getting silly now. So we need to be on a war footing or we're gonna be in big, big trouble in 4 or 5 years he says...

Why? Are we gonna be officially at war with Russia by then? Best just make sure we're well stocked up on weapons then eh? What other course of action is there?

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm all for countries being able to defend themselves, but the fact of the matter is, Ukraine can't win this unless the Russian people turn on Putin.

Truth be told I'm sick of NATO now. Sick of us supposedly having to line the pockets of arms manufacturers to defend ourselves. Wouldn't bother me in the slightest if we got rid of all of our nukes. In fact I'd welcome it. I genuinely believe we don't need them. I'd much rather they spent the money on fortifying the country against invasion than nukes. Russia are struggling (but very slowly getting there) to overwhelm their next door neighbour, what chance would they have of trying to conquer our island(s) if we put a lot more spending in to actually protecting against that?

Some might say that we can't retaliate if they decide to nuke us. So what? It will be no consolation to me once I've been vaporised that we've fired some back at them.

There's no other way to take what NATO have said there than we're headed for war. Any chance we could try and stop it then?

You do know there is a war In the middle of Europe, part funded by NATO countries don’t you? This isn’t news, he’s stating facts.

 

[John from Bootle]

Yes there is.

The simple fact is, plenty of countries need to either spend more on defence or massively change the way they spend their money.

“If you want peace, prepare for war”

So you think there's no other way to avoid direct confrontation with Russia other than spending? That's a genuine question btw, not a loaded sarcastic one. I'm just a layperson in matters like this, with nothing other than a basic knowledge of current geopolitics. I just don't like the rhetoric. It concerns me, I have kids.