I'm not sure escalating this conflict with a move such as this is wise.
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I never mentioned Britain being invaded .Not sure if you're British or American, but exactly which invasion force did the family predecessors fight, unless you're going back to the [Poor language removed] Normans
You did just give the line the IRA used in terms of resisting against the British army in northern Ireland though. Not sure you intended that.
Zekensky with the strike of a pen and standing up to the right sector/Azov, could have prevented any loss of life fully, he chose not to implement minsk 2 - which implementing was his massive campaign promise - which is why he was overwhelmingly voted for in the ethnic Russians regions too.
He walked away from talks when pressured by the US/UK and his own nationalists, again when he could have ended all this.
Maybe the Ukrainians that left didn't think fighting for a group of corrupt oligarchs who all have their kids living the high life in Europe was worth it, especially when it was all just in the interests of the west trying to weaken Russia and go line their own pockets and the US MIC.
But I did say I would sign up if we were invaded and fight the aggressor like my family did in both both wars.
Dave constantly ridicules the Ukrainians for defending their homeland against a vile aggressor and you actively encourage him.
More fool you.
So easy to sit in a cozy home in Wigan and bemoan the Ukrainians for not rolling over and giving up their right to fight for their home.
So if you agree with him that's your perogative.
You used to be a very credible poster on here , now you have shown your other side as a supporter of a vile regime.
Maybe you have to watch your back or don't stand near open windows in tall buildings I really don't know.
It's your life and not one chosen by the vast majority of the free world.
Good day to you sir.
bluestevon
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The British Challenger 2 Is The Wrong Tank For Ukraine
Challenger 2s amount to a rounding error in Ukraine’s order of battle. They barely are worth the effort to maintain and arm them. Oh, and to tow them when they get stuck.
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Dave could bunk up with Assad, I`m sure they`d get on like a house on fire, as they have a lot in common.
An update of the Lemmon and Matthau film? The odder couple...
bluestevon
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I have never once hidden the fact I do support Putin, going back to before I even moved to Russia.
Why, because I understand the vast complexity of the situation. I don't live in either a Kremlin bubble or a western one. I've lived in both places. I read both sources, way more western ones in fact as I'm aware fully of the media here.
So yes I wish the invasion hadn't happened, yup 99% of Russians do as well, do I understand why it happened also yes. Do I think the west doesn't really care about casualties as it's slavs killing slavs - damned right I do. Do I think this would have been resolved easily without western interference (namely the UK and neocons us elements) then yes.
Btw I've never for one second felt in danger in Russia, walking the street late at night etc, I often did in Liverpool - make of that what you will.
I must have missed your answer to these Dave so if you don't mind a quick recap, not really too taxing I'd have thought:
Are there any circumstances at all in which it's acceptable for a sovereign nation or ethnic group to defend itself militarily against outside aggression?
Should a democratically elected government have the right to attempt to quell an armed rebellion?
Indeed, should an oppressed civilian population have the right to depose a tyrannical regime through force of arms?
If it helps, think about Israel being the baddies in each hypothetical scenario.
Understanding complexities = anecdotal tosh.
Good ol' fat fingers will have his fake students single handedly solving the brain drain in Russia
My fighting days are over. I could however be tempted out of retirement for one last bout. Hezzz, HezzzzWill you and Mutzo and Spadge be making a late entry into the Ukraine War btw, or are you just going to post on this thread?
Utter legend that Zelenskyy chap. Wearing the soul of a nation on his sleeve. Maybe once the Russians have crawled back to their shopping malls he'll have enough material for a new series of that sitcom where he's President.
On that subject, which famous Brit comedian would you want accidentally being PM if Russia invaded the UK?
And no it can't just be Arthur Lowe as Mainwaring.
That is as simple as it gets.
No invasion......No war.
Stop the missiles , pull the troops out , go back to their own country it all ends ...instantly.
No more casualties , No more displacement a chance to rebuild from the devastation that has been caused.
Live in peace.
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I've not met any Westerner that wants to see Slavs killing Slavs .
bluestevon
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Always and that's what the people of Donbass did in 2014
I'm 2014 the maidan overthrew a democratically elected government, so in answer should thry have used norw force to quell the coup?
In 2014 the people of Donbass did exactly that
Eidean
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Probably the same way British Challenger 2s are, by being trained & if not being advised. What does Storm Shadow have to do with a Tank Commander being deployed to Ukraine?
The British Challenger 2 Is The Wrong Tank For Ukraine
Challenger 2s amount to a rounding error in Ukraine’s order of battle. They barely are worth the effort to maintain and arm them. Oh, and to tow them when they get stuck.
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- “Challenger 2 gets bogged down” yeah no sh*t, it was purposely designed to be heavier & provide more protection than lighter, quicker T-series tanks. Russian Armoured Doctrine is also different than British/Western. Also if they’re getting bogged down, that’s poor route selection from commanders.
- “lacks protection” - Video below disagrees & it’s still far better protected than most armoured vehicles.
- “Unique main gun” - plenty of articles & videos of Ukrainian tank crews talking about the fantastic accuracy of rifled barrels. That’s a doctrine issue if they’re treating Challenger 2’s as Howitzers, not a kit issue. (We didn’t teach Ukrainians any tactics, only how to operate the kit).
- “There aren’t enough of them” - agree.
So not only have you posted an apparent quote via the S*n, you’ve posted an article with really poor research & context which does absolutely nothing to address my original point.
Good effort though
bluestevon
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You aren't that naive, Nato expansion for the US was never ever about bringing peace it was about applying pressure on Russia. For the countries wanting it then sure they may have wanted the security blanket, but for the US not a chance it was about democracy or protecting countries.
You think this all ends now that the US/UK don't do absolutely everything they can to try to destabilise and disintegrate Russia?
You obviously haven't met many neocons then
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