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[Noisy noise annoys]

For what it's worth I think you're a good person, motivated by a good sense of right from wrong.

But that isn't how the war will end. Unless we want to spend an enormous amount of money on our military, at a time when kids are starving and schools/hospitals are crumbling.

I hope the anti-war movement in Russia can bring him down before that.

whaaaa?

 

[davek]

loool - the phone call 'trump, you're a weak fool, and I walk all over you, I will tell you to let me take what I want of UKR, you will agree, stop sending weapons, they will fold and I win, I then rebuild and do simliar to Georgia/moldova etc while you pretend to be important...'

what a great deal..

I can see a sweetner for ceding land to Russia some sort of security guarantee from further invasion.

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

I can see a sweetner for ceding land to Russia some sort of security guarantee from further invasion.

I do not know how old you are, but doing a deal with Vlad means eff all, ask Chechnya. However, it is defo the ONLY option now available after your man cost best part of a million lives on a wanton, imperialistic crusade.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

For what it's worth I think you're a good person, motivated by a good sense of right from wrong.

But that isn't how the war will end. Unless we want to spend an enormous amount of money on our military, at a time when kids are starving and schools/hospitals are crumbling.

I hope the anti-war movement in Russia can bring him down before that.

I also believe you're motivated by moral principle. Unfortunately, our principles don't always align with others, and in this case, Putin is a proven imperialist with a deep resentment of the USSR's collapse and a clear desire to reassert control over former Soviet territories. Sadly, this won't end with Ukraine if Putin is not defeated.

 

[Yarrgh]

loool - the phone call 'trump, you're a weak fool, and I walk all over you, I will tell you to let me take what I want of UKR, you will agree, stop sending weapons, they will fold and I win, I then rebuild and do simliar to Georgia/moldova etc while you pretend to be important...'

what a great deal..

 

[Sinski]

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[Spadge Vernacular]

 

[Zatara]

Invading Russia is not self defence though, by any stretch. That is also an act of aggression (just as Putin's was in invading Ukraine).

Nato is a major problem. Many of it's allies have woeful human rights records.

Ukraine are losing this war. That is going to continue, and they will need to negotiate a deal. That is their best outcome.

They do have a right to defend themselves. And they have a right to invade another country too, but it's an act of aggression.

I'm not trolling, I am an anti-war activist and want the war to come to an end before more people needlessly die.

Putin is not looking at this 'emotionally'. He clearly had a target and is constantly looking at this like a chess board -- a game in which he will use his resources to win.

He isnt looking at this concerned about his own people dying -- they are resources.

There is nothing else than a show of strength that will knock Putin off his game. In my opinion, Ukraine sending missiles into Russia is like making a pawn sacrifice (to Putin) but we know that once the Russian people (resources) see this then they will ask questions and of course that creates a problem for Putin.

Otherwise, what else apart from Trump doing something can change the current nature of this war?

If the war ends with Russia perceiving victory and weakness in the West, it will simply serve as a precursor to the next Russian aggression and interference in Eastern Europe. Putin Imperialistic ambition is counting on this.

I also believe you're motivated by moral principle. Unfortunately, our principles don't always align with others, and in this case, Putin is a proven imperialist with a deep resentment of the USSR's collapse and a clear desire to reassert control over former Soviet territories. Sadly, this won't end with Ukraine if Putin is not defeated.

I think thats spot on but i do also wonder if there are any alternatives.

After the sanctions I expected the Russian economy to collapse within 6months but theyve obviously used other channels to keep going -- including some surprising ones.

Other than assassinating Putin there is not much on the table.

 

[catcherintherye]

I also believe you're motivated by moral principle. Unfortunately, our principles don't always align with others, and in this case, Putin is a proven imperialist with a deep resentment of the USSR's collapse and a clear desire to reassert control over former Soviet territories. Sadly, this won't end with Ukraine if Putin is not defeated.

Thanks.

I oppose Putin too, but essentially my view is the best approach is to resist your own ruling class. Which often feels counter intuitive.

It's not that I support Putin, or don't recognise he may be worse than our own state/government. But yes.

I hope he's brought down. The last thing the world needs is more war.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Putin position has been consistent, that he will continue fighting in Ukraine, attacking its civilians and throwing Russians intot the meatgrinder until he secures the neighbouring country's “demilitarisation”. You can empathise why this would be akin to suicide for Ukraine.

Putin’s 2022 ‘peace proposal’ was a blueprint for the destruction of Ukraine

New details of talks between Russia and Ukraine during spring 2022 confirm that Putin’s alleged peace proposal was in fact a call for unconditional surrender and a blueprint for the destruction of the Ukrainian state, writes Peter Dickinson.

www.atlanticcouncil.org

 

[Prevenger17]

You can empathise why this would be akin to suicide for Ukraine.

Putin’s 2022 ‘peace proposal’ was a blueprint for the destruction of Ukraine

New details of talks between Russia and Ukraine during spring 2022 confirm that Putin’s alleged peace proposal was in fact a call for unconditional surrender and a blueprint for the destruction of the Ukrainian state, writes Peter Dickinson.

www.atlanticcouncil.org

Sadly, I think many on here won't.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

The world is in a tough place post-COVID, but the unpredictability and aggression of Putin's Russia have pushed us to a point where a shift in planning and reallocation of budgets to support our military is looking like it will be urgently needed.

 

[davids]

Putin is not looking at this 'emotionally'. He clearly had a target and is constantly looking at this like a chess board -- a game in which he will use his resources to win.

He isnt looking at this concerned about his own people dying -- they are resources.

There is nothing else than a show of strength that will knock Putin off his game. In my opinion, Ukraine sending missiles into Russia is like making a pawn sacrifice (to Putin) but we know that once the Russian people (resources) see this then they will ask questions and of course that creates a problem for Putin.

Otherwise, what else apart from Trump doing something can change the current nature of this war?






I think thats spot on but i do also wonder if there are any alternatives.

After the sanctions I expected the Russian economy to collapse within 6months but theyve obviously used other channels to keep going -- including some surprising ones.

Other than assassinating Putin there is not much on the table.

Medvedev isn't any better (possibly worse,if that's possible ) than Putin. Can't see Russia coming to the table any time soon.

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

The world is in a tough place post-COVID, but the unpredictability and aggression of Putin's Russia have pushed us to a point where a shift in planning and reallocation of budgets to support our military is looking like it will be urgently needed.

Not forgetting the return of Trump