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[davids]

I pay tax. UK sends them weapons.

Ukraine Humanitarian Fund

Unfortunately the weapons don't appear to be helping much, maybe a more hands on approach?

 

[NeilMorepies]

 

[whiteshadow]

Unfortunately the weapons don't appear to be helping much, maybe a more hands on approach?

I'd have to respect your opinion to care about any advice you have to offer.

Thanks though.

 

[catcherintherye]

Russia invaded Ukraine, they have a right to retaliate.

Trying to retake their territories that are occupied and have had defences put in place for years would be much harder than invading their own territory which had been pretty much left undefended as Russia didn't believe Ukraine would be allowed to invade them.

They did it to improve their bargaining position in case Trump won the election and tries to force a peace agreement. Russia won't give up any land they have taken illegally unless they are forced to or Ukraine have a means with which to bargain. It was a clever move to strengthen their position given what's happened with the US election.

Russia started the war, carry out war crimes and target civilians, while flattening everything before them. I don't see Ukraine doing the same to them?

NATO isn't a problem either. It's Europes greatest protection against Russia.

Invading Russia is not self defence though, by any stretch. That is also an act of aggression (just as Putin's was in invading Ukraine).

Nato is a major problem. Many of it's allies have woeful human rights records.

Ukraine are losing this war. That is going to continue, and they will need to negotiate a deal. That is their best outcome.

 

[catcherintherye]

Davek in the Rye.

That's very harsh on Dave!

 

[catcherintherye]

Operations in Kursk are aimed at disrupting Russian logistics, supply lines, and military infrastructure (many bridges) in order to defend Ukrainian territory and are a legitimate act of self-defence, and will provide a bargaining mechanism. Trolling using Russias continued aggression is poor form. Ukraine, like any invaded nation has the right to defend themselves by any means necessary.

They do have a right to defend themselves. And they have a right to invade another country too, but it's an act of aggression.

I'm not trolling, I am an anti-war activist and want the war to come to an end before more people needlessly die.

 

[Tommy.]

Somehow new depths continue to be plumbed.

Aggression would be defined as the use of force without provocation, no?
Between this and the US Election threads, it's been an incredibly ugly time for this forum.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

They do have a right to defend themselves. And they have a right to invade another country too, but it's an act of aggression.

I'm not trolling, I am an anti-war activist and want the war to come to an end before more people needlessly die.

If the war ends with Russia perceiving victory and weakness in the West, it will simply serve as a precursor to the next Russian aggression and interference in Eastern Europe. Putin Imperialistic ambition is counting on this.

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

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What is my excuse, though?

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

Unfortunately the weapons don't appear to be helping much, maybe a more hands on approach?

700,000 Russian casualties would beg to differ.

 

[Paulie]

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Wait until they stumble across Everton spaces.

 

[catcherintherye]

If the war ends with Russia perceiving victory and weakness in the West, it will simply serve as a precursor to the next Russian aggression and interference in Eastern Europe. Putin Imperialistic ambition is counting on this.

For what it's worth I think you're a good person, motivated by a good sense of right from wrong.

But that isn't how the war will end. Unless we want to spend an enormous amount of money on our military, at a time when kids are starving and schools/hospitals are crumbling.

I hope the anti-war movement in Russia can bring him down before that.

 

[davek]

Putin has called Trump to congratulate him and says he's open to any ideas on ending the Ukrainian Crisis.

 

[Rita_Poon]

Give Alaska back?

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

Putin has called Trump to congratulate him and says he's open to any ideas on ending the Ukrainian Crisis.

loool - the phone call 'trump, you're a weak fool, and I walk all over you, I will tell you to let me take what I want of UKR, you will agree, stop sending weapons, they will fold and I win, I then rebuild and do simliar to Georgia/moldova etc while you pretend to be important...'

what a great deal..