Current Affairs Ukraine

[Noisy noise annoys]

I think it is wrong for a country's military, at the behest of its leader, to take through force and conflict the land of another country. But my overall point was that now we have armed Ukraine we must accept some responsibility for any harm that is caused in Russian territory. I'm not pro-Putin and I'm not trying to be a 60s hippy, I am just typing some opinions I have.

They are not trying to "take through force and conflict the land of another country" - they are launching raids with the aim of smashing the murderous tits airfields and ammo dumps that have been creating havoc for 2 years now on the people of Ukraine. IT IS TOTALLY JUSTIFIABLE - only a fool thinks otherwise

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

It feels like the end is approaching for Putin.

 

[PhilM]

It feels like the end is approaching for Putin.

We can surely hope this is the case, yet it's important we do not get beyond ourselves. While this is a definite positive, we're likely not near any immediate collapse.

If it's the catalyst (or part of the catalyst) that helps end this war and Putin's reign of terror, well that's a good thing, either way.

On another note, this made me giggle....

 

[Drico]

The Polish national public prosecutor’s office has said that Volodymyr Z., who is wanted by German authorities in connection to the 2022 sabotage of the Nord Stream gas pipelines, was not arrested in Poland as he fled to Ukraine in early July, Reuters reported.

Unfortunate name - on two levels - for the suspect. This could get rather awkward for the Ukrainans if the Germans demand his handover and extradition... German state elections in the east of the country are imminent. This will be grist to the mill of the usual suspects, and politically very awkward for Scholz.

 

[bicycleheader]

I think it is wrong for a country's military, at the behest of its leader, to take through force and conflict the land of another country. But my overall point was that now we have armed Ukraine we must accept some responsibility for any harm that is caused in Russian territory. I'm not pro-Putin and I'm not trying to be a 60s hippy, I am just typing some opinions I have.

To be clear I wasn't assuming you were trolling and pro-putin or anything like that, as I don't think that would match your contribution in other threads

I just don't know if you have thought that through and if you had I was interested in knowing how that would work. Obviously we agree Russia should not be in Ukraine and are there in force and as an aggressor.

Do you really believe the country defending itself should solely respond by defending or attacking within their own country's border?

I think if you believe a country has a right to defend itself from such actions with whatever end goal they deem acceptable at whatever point - full withdrawal or peace terms with loss of territory - then are you saying that if they see an incursion over the border into the aggressors territory as a way to further their path to whatever success may be for them that they should discard the option as in your eyes they are acting similarly to the agressor?

I mean i get the point that is not as simple as "great, good on you Ukraine" because ultimately there are normal innocent russian people living in that area OR that a defending force should not stoop to committing war crimes in reaction to the invasion, but it just seems rather extreme a belief to want them to limit "normal" military response in such a situation

 

[GoldenToffee]

What a superb Uno reverse by Ukraine striding into Russia and tearing down Russian flags and taking territory of their own - bravo. So much for the war being over within a week.

 

[Tipp blue]

What a superb Uno reverse by Ukraine striding into Russia and tearing down Russian flags and taking territory of their own - bravo. So much for the war being over within a week.

What's needed from Russia to stop this is Logistics, Tactics, Strategies, Integrity and leaders in the field that know what they are doing, Unfortunately for Russia all of these things are in short supply, they cant/ won't stop this by using their usual throwing men at it and they likely won't mine the hell out of the place either.

 

[supertoffee98]

Welcome to GOT and the CA, buddy

If I didn't post in CA I would have to talk about Everton, who wants to do that

 

[TrachyBlue]

I think it is wrong for a country's military, at the behest of its leader, to take through force and conflict the land of another country. But my overall point was that now we have armed Ukraine we must accept some responsibility for any harm that is caused in Russian territory. I'm not pro-Putin and I'm not trying to be a 60s hippy, I am just typing some opinions I have.

You’re not allowed to have views that go against western imperialism in this forum.

 

[Damo_1878]

You’re not allowed to have views that go against western imperialism in this forum.

"Western Imperialism"?

 

[stipe]

I still don't understand how this happened, like seems to me there was barely any Russian defence on the border, like few hundreds conscripts and that was it, wtf?
From what im reading it seems Ukrainians mostly just driven in wherever they wanted and that was it in first few days (before Russians reserves arrived).

They fighting brutal war and despite their enemy being right next door they were that arrogant to assume that Ukrainians simply "wouldn't dare" to cross imaginary line on the map.

 

[COYBL25]

You’re not allowed to have views that go against western imperialism in this forum.

Which country are you posting from comrade and how big is your potato field ?

 

[ChesterBlue]

You’re not allowed to have views that go against western imperialism in this forum.

I don’t think that’s fair mate - plenty of posters are critical of US and UK foreign policy - particular in the situation of Gaza and Israel.

The reason that people aren’t critical here is because Russia are the aggressors, and even outside of Ukraine are an incredibly brutal state. Additionally they’re using proxies to do plenty of pillaging in Africa themselves.

 

[Xizor]

You’re not allowed to have views that go against western imperialism in this forum.

That's silly. You can have the views, but you should expect to be challenged on them as it goes against the status quo that an invading force are the culprits in a military conflict. That's on this forum or in real life.

Of course, in Russia you're not allowed to have views that go against Russian Imperialism, because you'll fall out of a window.

There's probably a lesson in there.