Current Affairs Ukraine

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Drico said:
I can. It'll deal with him when it thinks that's a less costly business than supporting Ukraine. Realpolitik will dictate. The Baltics, Poland, and a few others will be very reluctant to do any deal for obvious reasons, but the further west you go the calculation changes - and it's the western countries that are funding this.

I imagine the West will support Ukraine to the extent that they cannot be pushed much further back than they will be over the coming months - and simultaneously cannot move forward to retake any territory already lost. In other words, they will support Ukraine so that the war can be "frozen". Over time, both sides will accept there is no further progress to be made and efforts to preserve that stability will encourage a formal agreement. Ukraine will be told to sign up or risk losing Western funding. Russia will be told sign up because you have "won" territory that was not yours and everyone wants to return to making money. In other words, the Ukrainians will be thrown under the bus. Which was always going to happen.

But their choice will be to be thrown under the bus or thrown under the tanks. Zelenskii, if he won't agree to this, will be pushed out by "realists". If he does agree to this, he will possibly have to go anyway as many of his supporters will view this as capitulation. The remaining dissenters will soon find there is no way to survive without the West and will be silenced by more pragmatic voices.

Whatever way you look at it, it's not going to end that well for Ukraine, but the war will not be funded by the West forever so the survival of an independent Ukraine might itself be a victory of sorts. But the West will have to provide meaningful protection for that rump state. The Ukrainians have seen how worthless previous declarations were. Yet, the sense remains that any agreement will merely freeze things for another generation. Without NATO membership, it's only a matter of time before Russia chances its arm again.
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It is all rather depressing and unnecessary really
 
Spadge Vernacular said:
There was something simila in the Trump thread some weeks back but this is probably of interest to those frequenting this thread.

newrepublic.com

Russia Is Buying Politicians in Europe. Is It Happening Here Too?

A former CIA officer explains how a vast, pro-Putin corruption network uncovered in Europe is a warning sign for the U.S.
newrepublic.com newrepublic.com
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Hardly surprising and I doubt its a particularly new venture, the right is without morals and will happily support anything that brings profit
 
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