Current Affairs Ukraine

[Drico]

Being reported now more widly now.

European Union agrees on new $54bn aid package for Ukraine

Hungary previously vetoed the measure and criticised the bloc's military support for Ukraine.

www.aljazeera.com

European Union agrees to $54 billion aid package for Ukraine

The European Union on Thursday agreed to a $54 billion (in U.S. dollars) package for embattled Ukraine after overcoming a significant hurdle from Hungary that had for weeks delayed the deal, which …

thehill.com

Vic doesn't seem happy though, as per the above.

You're more than welcome to leave, Viktor.

Just like the Greeks a decade ago, nobody is forcing you to stay.

It's high time some people asked themselves are they Europeans or are they Russians - because that's the de facto choice these days.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

Unfortunately this is only on the usual social media channels so far, but they are claiming (with footage) that Ukrainian sea-drones have taken out a Russian Navy corvette overnight.

Ukraine 'hits Russian missile boat in Black Sea' - BBC News

Military intelligence says the Ivanovets, a small warship, was destroyed in a special operation off Crimea.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Rita_Poon]

How long before it's possible at low tide to walk across the black sea without getting your feet wet, simply hopping from one russian wreck to the next.

Shame for the loss of life for the poor lads press ganged into service, but glad of yet another black eye for putin and his cabal of nazi mafioso.

 

[Rita_Poon]

Some guy on 4 now mentions they can't replenish fleet as the straits are closed by Turkey. So with a rocket/missile ship knocked out by drone, when the jets turn up in a couple of months is there less air defence available to protect russian assets?

The cynical side of me says putin will wait until the moment the jets are in the air and about to hammer his troops before he climbs down and suggests talks. But how does that play then, Ukraine says we can talk when you've removed all troops and then get played as the war mongers not interested in peace. Suddenly some orange faced toad appears and promises peace in Ukraine and American dollars spent in America. What a move.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Three episodes.

Putin vs the West

The inside story of how the west has struggled to deal with Putin.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

More on the ship attack

 

[Rita_Poon]

Some explosion that. Final hit, best saved for last or hit ammo store?

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Some explosion that. Final hit, best saved for last or hit ammo store?

It says the last was steered inside a hole blown by the previous hits. This set off some of the ships missiles (stored).

 

[Tennessee Blue Mike]

It says the last was steered inside a hole blown by the previous hits. This set off some of the ships missiles (stored).

Remind me of HMS Hood

 

[peteblue]

Remind me of HMS Hood

I remember my father, who served on the Duke of York battleship, telling me about the shock this caused in the Navy and the country. Our most feared ship, a freak salvo, munitions spread around the ship, 3 survivors …..

 

[Rita_Poon]

I remember my father, who served on the Duke of York battleship, telling me about the shock this caused in the Navy and the country. Our most feared ship, a freak salvo, munitions spread around the ship, 3 survivors …..

Give over, Hood was obsolete and Bismarck was the business. Want to go into detail, go have a look at the classes of shells used by both sides.
Hood laid down Sept 1916
Bismarck laid down July 1936
iirc it was Nelson or Rodney (both 1922) that were the newest and most armed in 41 when Hood copped a shell to the cordite. Ironically, when there ships were laid down they were obsolete, as the day of the carrier was born and airpower would supersede everything. Ego pushed for the dreadnaught when evolution into the skies had been the harbinger of their day decades previous. [Tirpitz was bigger than Bismarck][And Japanese Yamato 50% bigger again]

 

[peteblue]

Give over, Hood was obsolete and Bismarck was the business. Want to go into detail, go have a look at the classes of shells used by both sides.
Hood laid down Sept 1916
Bismarck laid down July 1936
iirc it was Nelson or Rodney (both 1922) that were the newest and most armed in 41 when Hood copped a shell to the cordite. Ironically, when there ships were laid down they were obsolete, as the day of the carrier was born and airpower would supersede everything. Ego pushed for the dreadnaught when evolution into the skies had been the harbinger of their day decades previous. [Tirpitz was bigger than Bismarck][And Japanese Yamato 50% bigger again]

Glad you have read up and as usual run down anything about the U.K. Doesn’t change what my father said to me…..

 

[Rita_Poon]

Learn to read.

 

[Rita_Poon]

In fact, it was a mistake to send Hood at Bismarck, the admiralty knew she couldn't match her and sent her anyway and suffered the losses. All those sailors sent into battle with miniscule chances. Thanks tory high command.

 

[peteblue]

In fact, it was a mistake to send Hood at Bismarck, the admiralty knew she couldn't match her and sent her anyway and suffered the losses. All those sailors sent into battle with miniscule chances. Thanks tory high command.

Somehow I knew you would turn it into the Tories fault…