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He's right in the sense that economic sanctions rarely work in the way they were intended. I don't need my degree in economics to prove that.

However, the idea that people here in Germany or in the rest of the EU could just carry on trading with the savages in Russia is deluded. The sanctions served a moral purpose to wean people off deep, dangerous, dependent relationships with a bad faith actor.

Also, while the German economy has suffered since the war and COVID, it dwarfs Russia's economy. Russia has lost its biggest customer - and one which is richer than the alternatives. While it has "replaced" some of that trade, we musn't lose sight of the fact that life for the average German is paradise compared to that of the average Russian. Yes, ordinary residents paid more for energy and food, but the state has stepped in to prop people and businesses up. The bleating about the German economy tends to come more from industrialists who lived high on the Russian hog for far too long or austerity-addicted right-wing politicians. Germany's economic "woes" have less to do with Russian sanctions than they do a self-imposed ideological financial strait-jacket that insists on balanced budgets - by law.

Germany could borrow money at cheaper rates than any country on the planet - but the old orthodoxy here has hamstrung it in times of turbulence. In that sense, the time to listen to German industrialists and politicians bleating about sanctions will only be AFTER they get over their rigid adherence to puritanical austerity. As that's not going to happen any time soon, they're going to have to suck up any blowback from sanctions which have happily ensured Germans no longer depend on Russia for energy. No dependence means no compromise. And Germany is now increasing its military funding for both itself and the Ukrainians. Putin's days of divide and conquer by cosying up to bent German politicians are over. People might be iffy about the Ukrainians - I know I am and always have been - but nobody can do business with Putin unless they hold the whip hand. The next time the Germans do business with Putin, it will very much be on their own terms.

Galloway just doesn't want to upset his pals in Moscow. He couldn't care less about blowback in Europe or anywhere else.
I wasn't arguing that Russians have abetter standard of living than Germans. That would be preposterous. I said that the German economy has been more inconvenienced by the war than Russia's. They just looked east and south and created new possibilities. They have adapted.
 
Im shocked to hear that the Ukraine people would rather not be at war and would rather live a peaceful life.

Who would have thought it.

Maybe ask the people in Gaza and Syria if living in a warzone is a fun time.
Im glad you accept peace is better than war. At least that puts you one step ahead of the clueless keyboard hawks.
 
Im glad you accept peace is better than war. At least that puts you one step ahead of the clueless keyboard hawks.
We all want peace David.

Its just your version of peace means lying down and letting Putin walk all over everybody.

You tell the 300,000 Russians who have died, the countless Ukraine soldiers and the many thousands of Ukraine people who have seen their homes destroyed, their families killed that it was all a waste of time and they should just surrender.
 
I wasn't arguing that Russians have abetter standard of living than Germans. That would be preposterous. I said that the German economy has been more inconvenienced by the war than Russia's. They just looked east and south and created new possibilities. They have adapted.
The Germans have inconvenienced themselves, Dave. But it wasn't the sanctions that did it. It is the "Schwarz Null" - the black zero of balanced budgets by law. Last week, the constitutional court ruled that the government were breaking this ideological economic dogma that was ludicrously inserted into the constitution 15 years ago.

All they have to do is take that out. But Germans are fantastically dogmatic people. They won't do it. They'd rather not borrow at rates the rest of the planet would kill for. It's why their infrastructure is falling apart. Just as their history has made them slaves to a far-right, human rights-abusing, Israeli government, it has made them slaves to austerity. Until the public demands change, they are getting precisely what they deserve.
 
Just wow!

“Since launching its offensive in October, we assess that the Russian military has suffered more than 13,000 casualties along the Avdiivka-Novopavlivka axis and over 220 combat vehicle losses-the equivalent of six maneuver battalions in equipment alone,” National Security Council spokesperson Adrienne Watson told CNN, adding that Russian President Vladimir Putin “still aims to conquer” Ukraine, but its attempt at an offensive has resulted in “no strategic gains.”
Same reported here. Putin really does not call in any way shape or form for Russia and Russian lives. He is a mobster after all the loot that he can get.

 
MI6 now good.

M15 now bad.

Although may be subject to change, depending upon on which narrative he’s trying to spin.
Settlers on occupied land is now also good.

I am shocked as I have a dislike for settler activity be it in Ukraine, Palestine or anywhere. It is no surprise that Disgusting Dave is in the Netanyahu/IDF camp on this matter.

His four brain cells are going round like 'the waltzers' with the Magic Roundabout theme blasting.
 
Ah we're back to blaming the West for Putin's genocidal charge across a sovereign nation?

Nobody is to blame except Russia.

If Synder is a spanner then you're the whole toolbox.
The blame the West shoulders comes from securing the ability via NATO to station forces right on Putin's doorstep. Plenty of people worth listening to (even if they aren't always right) pointed this problem out for two decades. It's a long-term threat to Russia's security, as technological progress continues to improve both the speed and accuracy of strategic weaponry. We may not have a reason to station forces there now, but it doesn't follow this will hold forever. It's also a maxim of military planning that adversaries must be assessed in terms of capabilities, and not intent, because the latter can change in a hurry.

(If there is anyone out there who still thinks that NATO had anything to do with Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, consider this: invading Ukraine made Russia far more vulnerable. If Russia actually feared NATO, invading Ukraine would be the last thing it would do. Russian leaders are perfectly aware that NATO will not invade Russia, which is why they can pull troops away from the borders of NATO members Norway and Finland and send them to kill Ukrainians.)
That's just not how this works. It's a very unsophisticated way of interpreting what happens to capabilities after a state elects to use force. Dr. Snyder falls into error because as a historian, his day job involves reviewing events we all agree happened in the past. This is what happens when experts step outside their area of expertise and start talking about things they don't fully understand. If Dr. Mehmet Oz is a chest cutter at Columbia, you probably shouldn't take what he has to say about nutritional supplements all that seriously.

Russia knows that NATO almost certainly will not invade, but that risk is never zero. Dr. Snyder has fallen into Tversky and Kahneman's cognitive trap of assuming that risk is, in fact, zero because the risk is very low. It's best to think about this problem as Putin playing a long-term game to best set up Russia for an East-West conflict he must believe is coming one day. Invading Ukraine took on some risk now, with the intent of improving his position on the board later. There's a good chance he also was looking to pick up a large domestic political win, to better secure his grip on power.

Unfortunately for Putin, the ease with which Russia knocked over Crimea probably helped convince him that systemically flawed internal estimates of the balance of capabilities were accurate. He didn't understand problems within his military the West had known about for decades. As observers over here, we didn't understand just how bad those problems were. The result was that both Western observers (whose broad consensus was that Russia would win, but that it could be far more costly than expected) and Putin's inner circle (who believed Russia would win quickly and with ease) were wrong about what would in fact happen when conflict broke out. None of us correctly assessed the degree to which Russia's capabilities have been degraded by this war.

These information gaps are why we think about these issues in terms of balance of probabilities, not certainties. Putin started the war due to a misperception resulting from poor information, and as it turns out both the rationalists and the psychological scholars in the conflict space agree war never happens without one. If both sides knew who would win with certainty, they settle their differences at a conference table instead. This is one way of explaining the reason for the democratic peace proposition. Open societies are much more likely to accurately assess internal and external capabilities, as well as the political risks faced by both sides, and come to agreements that both sides can agree are consistent with the present situation.

Dr. Snyder may come back and make assertions about what leaders think in the moment about international conflict after he reads the risk management literature in economics and the conflict literature in political science. I remain interested in what he has to say about the historical process by which democracies became tyrannies in the last century. He holds his present appointment at Yale because he has done good work in that area.
 
That's just not how this works. It's a very unsophisticated way of interpreting what happens to capabilities after a state elects to use force. Dr. Snyder falls into error because as a historian, his day job involves reviewing events we all agree happened in the past. This is what happens when experts step outside their area of expertise and start talking about things they don't fully understand. If Dr. Mehmet Oz is a chest cutter at Columbia, you probably shouldn't take what he has to say about nutritional supplements all that seriously.

Russia knows that NATO almost certainly will not invade, but that risk is never zero. Dr. Snyder has fallen into Tversky and Kahneman's cognitive trap of assuming that risk is, in fact, zero because the risk is very low. It's best to think about this problem as Putin playing a long-term game to best set up Russia for an East-West conflict he must believe is coming one day. Invading Ukraine took on some risk now, with the intent of improving his position on the board later. There's a good chance he also was looking to pick up a large domestic political win, to better secure his grip on power.

Unfortunately for Putin, the ease with which Russia knocked over Crimea probably helped convince him that systemically flawed internal estimates of the balance of capabilities were accurate. He didn't understand problems within his military the West had known about for decades. As observers over here, we didn't understand just how bad those problems were. The result was that both Western observers (whose broad consensus was that Russia would win, but that it could be far more costly than expected) and Putin's inner circle (who believed Russia would win quickly and with ease) were wrong about what would in fact happen when conflict broke out. None of us correctly assessed the degree to which Russia's capabilities have been degraded by this war.

These information gaps are why we think about these issues in terms of balance of probabilities, not certainties. Putin started the war due to a misperception resulting from poor information, and as it turns out both the rationalists and the psychological scholars in the conflict space agree war never happens without one. If both sides knew who would win with certainty, they settle their differences at a conference table instead. This is one way of explaining the reason for the democratic peace proposition. Open societies are much more likely to accurately assess internal and external capabilities, as well as the political risks faced by both sides, and come to agreements that both sides can agree are consistent with the present situation.

Dr. Snyder may come back and make assertions about what leaders think in the moment about international conflict after he reads the risk management literature in economics and the conflict literature in political science. I remain interested in what he has to say about the historical process by which democracies became tyrannies in the last century. He holds his present appointment at Yale because he has done good work in that area.
You have just agreed with what Snyder said (your quote) albeit in a meandering way.
 
You have just agreed with what Snyder said (your quote) albeit in a meandering way.
Not in the slightest. Dr. Snyder makes the claim that the decision to invade Ukraine has nothing to do with NATO. It has quite a great deal to do with NATO. His analysis ignores future security risks (and ignores everything we know about risk altogether, truth be told) and focuses solely on the present situation.

That's not how security works, it's not how leaders make security decisions, and there's ample empirical support to back the counterclaims up.
 
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