Ah we're back to blaming the West for Putin's genocidal charge across a sovereign nation?
Nobody is to blame except Russia.
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Ah we're back to blaming the West for Putin's genocidal charge across a sovereign nation?
Nobody is to blame except Russia.
If Synder is a spanner then you're the whole toolbox.
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Yarrgh
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Russian losses proportional to Ukrainian losses are higher from every source I found.
However they are not so proportionately higher that they'd run out of people to throw into the grinder before Ukraine run out of people. This would be the worst outcome with a lost generation of men and no Ukraine as it would be repopulated by Russians.
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Yep.
I advocate a soldier like Zaluzhny take charge of this mess before Zelensky's madness takes more lives.
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Well it was the downfall of the Soviet Union and communism that essentially created a free for all for oligarchs to plunder what they could. Putin rose to power as a hard man who was seen by Russians to get the country out of the gutter.
The west and NATO should have gone on a charm offensive at that point and tried to bring them into the western fold, but that opportunity is long since missed. I know NATO promised not to advance eastwards and promptly broke that promise sewing the seeds of mistrust but it could have been changed into an entity that Russia and former Warsaw Pact countries could have entered into.
The west did however bend over backwards to exploit Russian mineral wealth and launder the money from its oligarchs for its own benefit and enable the corrupt regime in place. So not blameless but not the cause.
There are resets from time to time with western-Russian relations and I presume that until Putin and his cabal have departed the scene, then that won't be happening soon.
Again you’ve got it completely wrong. It was and still is Zaluzhny that controls the army and dictates battlefield strategy and tactics. Zelensky has no tactical control of the Uke armed forces - it would be like Rishi Sunak in charge of the British army…Totally ridiculous.
No Zaluzhny controls the Uke armed forces and he has been responsible for the conservative Uke tactics.
The pressure on him is coming from Washington via Kyiv to obtain better results on the battlefield and his performances have not impressed the Pentagon planners. Which is ironic since the US has drip-fed the Uke war effort and stalled in delivering modern fighter aircraft and LR precision munitions.
Hopefully this will all change early in the New Year and Ukraine will get the support it needs to force Ru to the negotiating table.
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Zaluzhnyi's trajectory is in ascent. I don't see him taking over from Zelensky any time soon though. Zelensky still has sufficient support and backing in this locally and internationally- why change the leader in this position as its not football and there's no new manager bounce to be gained.
I imagine that the Ukrainian forces will hanker down for the winter and see if the war effort gets sufficient supplies of the right kind and right amounts to see if can keep on going before it makes any decisions.
Unfortunately I can't see this thing ending anytime soon.
Not for the first time I recommend this. It is brilliant and harrowing and gives an overview of how conditions for Putin's accession came into being.
Russia 1985-1999: TraumaZone
What it felt like to live through the collapse of communism and democracy. A series of films by Adam Curtis.
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Morphing into DHolliday. Soon there'll be requests for choice quotes.
Putin wasn't brought in to heal anything.
He was brought in as it was thought he would protect Yeltsin, the oligarchs and corrupt FSB officials.
He was the man the FSB, oligarchs and the state could all agree on.
Everybody knew what he was by the time he took office.
Through the reforms Gorbaghev tried to bring in, the ridiculous voucher scheme selling of all it's assets, to Yeltsin selling off the rest of the country to win the election, the state sold the country to criminals and Putin was lurking in the background playing the KGB/FSB, state officials and oligrachs all off each other.
By the time he was in power he was too wrapped up in the corruption to change a thing.
His only answer was to systematically silence anybody who was a threat to him and offer the oligarchs protection as long as they didnt interfere in the ploitical side of things.
The west aren't blameless themselves, but history should show post Soviet Russia as a story a state selling off it assets to criminals at the expense of it's population.
He was brought in as it was thought he would protect Yeltsin, the oligarchs and corrupt FSB officials.
He was the man the FSB, oligarchs and the state could all agree on.
Everybody knew what he was by the time he took office.
Through the reforms Gorbaghev tried to bring in, the ridiculous voucher scheme selling of all it's assets, to Yeltsin selling off the rest of the country to win the election, the state sold the country to criminals and Putin was lurking in the background playing the KGB/FSB, state officials and oligrachs all off each other.
By the time he was in power he was too wrapped up in the corruption to change a thing.
His only answer was to systematically silence anybody who was a threat to him and offer the oligarchs protection as long as they didnt interfere in the ploitical side of things.
The west aren't blameless themselves, but history should show post Soviet Russia as a story a state selling off it assets to criminals at the expense of it's population.
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I read the Naomi Klein book The Shock Doctrine years ago and it always stuck in my mind the origins of Putin.
Only a fool falls for BS analysis of why we're where we are today without a knowledge of that period...unfortunately there's many of them about.
davek
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Lol. Zelensky is a known meddler. He's a nuisance - him and his staff - claiming BS advances and pissing off the Ukrainian top brass demanding to fight on in Bakhmut.
Umerov has been appointed months back to unsettle Zaluzhny. FFS, someone even hands a live grenade to his number 2 and killed him.
Zaluzhny is the obvious successor to that 'kin clown Action Man, he's respected in the armed forces and by civilians.
davek
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Set an election date and see who's most popular.
Action man and his corrupt wife like their trips to Paris, Berlin and Washington too much to have an election and threaten that though.
davek
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Not for the first time I recommend this. It is brilliant and harrowing and gives an overview of how conditions for Putin's accession came into being.
Russia 1985-1999: TraumaZone
What it felt like to live through the collapse of communism and democracy. A series of films by Adam Curtis.
Spadge Vernacular
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