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Cool_Blue
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I know winter is here, but are Ukraine getting any air power sorted anytime soon?
Spadge Vernacular
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Some of the lads with connections in the forces will have a better idea but reports last month suggested February, March 2024. The training had been to get them ready for spring 2024 so that ties in. It should have been last year and the war would most likely be done now.
davek
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Pilots need thousands and thousands of training hours before they can fly those machines.
So the answer to your question is 'no'.
Spadge Vernacular
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Ignore Vlads pip brain. Ukraines existing pilots will take around five months and they are already training them.
Spadge Vernacular
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Barrel scraping at it’s best there.
Spadge Vernacular
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You simply have to point and laugh. The guys an idiot.
A bit unkind to idiots tbh.
davek
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Zelensky's strategy is in tatters. Ukraine are losing because of it.
There isn't a thing that will stop that now.
While I was calling for his head and removal from office, you and others were conned by NATO and the western governments and their media about his 'leadership'. You should feel angry about that. They took you to be the gullible fool you are.
Has anybody ever praised Zelenskys leadership?Zelensky's strategy is in tatters. Ukraine are losing because of it.
There isn't a thing that will stop that now.
While I was calling for his head and removal from office, you and others were conned by NATO and the western governments and their media about his 'leadership'. You should feel angry about that. They took you to be the gullible fool you are.
We all know you have gone for him hourly, but IMO the majority of people in this thread have only ever cared about the Ukraine people.
You seem to fight wars with invisible enemies.
Spadge Vernacular
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You're a joke a d we all laugh at you xZelensky's strategy is in tatters. Ukraine are losing because of it.
There isn't a thing that will stop that now.
While I was calling for his head and removal from office, you and others were conned by NATO and the western governments and their media about his 'leadership'. You should feel angry about that. They took you to be the gullible fool you are.
Cool_Blue
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Thank you comrade
lol lol lol lol lol lol
davek
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You're welcome, Sgt Fury.
This Is How Long It Would Really Take Ukraine's Pilots To Convert To F-16s
Just learning to fly an F-16 is a small aspect of what it would take for a Ukrainian fighter pilot to be combat ready in the type.
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“For a pilot with around 500 hours experience in a Western fighter, but that has never previously flown the F-16 — someone transitioning from the Hornet for example — without any breaks, working weekends, etc, they need 69 days to learn everything to safely employ the Viper in air-to-air and air-to-ground roles,” commented an experienced F-16 instructor.
“That’s assuming they speak good English because that’s the language we teach in. Those 69 days include six flights learning to fly the jet and land it. About 15 flights of air-to-air, but if they’ve done a lot of this before you might get that down to 10. The between six and nine air-to-surface missions, which would include a basic ability to employ laser-guided bombs [LGBs] and GPS-guided Joint Direct Attack Munitions [JDAMs]. That would give them a basic, wingman-level understanding, and that’s assuming they are already familiar with the complex weapons such as the AIM-120 AMRAAM [Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile].”
“They would also need to take in 210 hours of academics and 10-20 simulator events. You can’t do that fast — even doing two sims a day means 10 days straight. You can’t do that kind of thing fast. So, those 69 days would mean the pilot could potentially employ the jet safely in a tactical training environment. Flying in combat is a whole different story.”
“Going into combat against a Su-35, even a Su-27 in contested airspace — now you’re talking about years of experience. You can’t do that with a brand-new guy who has seen everything once! You can have all the capabilities of the jet, but if the pilot doesn’t know how to use it correctly, then that’s useless. So for a pilot coming from a MiG-29, having to learn a brand-new PVI [pilot-vehicle interface] where everything looks different, use weapons that they’ve only ever read about, to give them three-months training then toss them into combat — that’s a tall order!"
“The MiG-29 to a Block 50 or Mid-Life Upgrade Viper isn’t a big step in performance, but it’s a huge leap in technology — the weapons and avionics. Even after 69 days of intense training, that’s only a wingman qual [qualification], so who is going to lead the mission? Do you just send them off as a rogue single-ship to try and shoot down anything with more than one vertical tail? To be super effective, you at least need a four-ship, and to lead that needs at least a year of intensive training — then you can crush the opposition.”
“The answer initially would have to be based on building a new syllabus based on Ukraine’s specific needs and the threat scenario, and to then take that into combat would need anywhere between six and 12 months of training. It would still be risky, but that might outweigh the rewards.”
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