Current Affairs Ukraine

[davek]

You're out of your comfort zone here lad.

 

[Goat]

You're out of your comfort zone here lad.

You have no idea what my comfort zone is.

Let me assure you, im cruising in first gear.

 

[davek]

You have no idea what my comfort zone is.

Let me assure you, im cruising in first gear.

lol

 

[peteblue]

That's a blow to the U.S. and their ambitions to win India over to their sphere of influence.

The BRICS are sticking together despite the Russian invasion of Ukraine and western frustrations with them not backing Kyiv.

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So two large countries with boundary disputes with China decide to have joint Naval exercises. Now I wonder who that be aimed at…….

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/11/21/politics/white-house-wagner-group-intelligence/index.html

Russia seem committed to pulling israel into a more active role against them.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

The hypocrisy of the US Empire is fully exposed by the Malaysians.

The very same being true of you though like innit! You and the US Empire are basically the same.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

The sad reality for these Russian lads being sent to their deaths in Ukraine. If they get lucky they might survive but with limbs missing. Russky mir.

 

[davek]

NATO...remember them? Looks like they've left Ukraine high and dry, and the Ukrainians know it.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

NATO...remember them? Looks like they've left Ukraine high and dry, and the Ukrainians know it.

That's on way of reading. And by that I mean the way an idiot that should be pointed and laughed at.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

@davek

Kira like all sane people welcome NATO and the West's crucial support to save them from the obvious threat of destruction by your murdering facing hero's, you fruitheaded monstrosity.

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[davek]

@davek

Kira like all sane people welcome NATO and the West's crucial support to save them from the obvious threat of destruction by your murdering facing hero's, you fruitheaded monstrosity.

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You're preposterous. You always have been.

Ukraine are losing this war and you wish to prolong it by throwing hundreds of thousands more men onto the bonfire of a lost cause...from behind your keyboard.

 

[hippopotamus]

While killers and rapists are being released from Russian prisons in order to kill and rape more people in Ukraine.

 

[Goat]

I am preposterous. I always have been.

Ukraine are fighting for their lives and you wish to make all their sacrifices mean nothing, just for internet points ...from behind your keyboard.

 

[Drico]

I really don't think they're going to get what they want anytime soon Ukraine in terms of accession to the EU.

That looks a long shot at best..

Hungary will veto it at the Council next month in a bid to force the EU's hand on COVID funds, etc, which have been frozen because Orban has no interest in rule of law. Von der Leyen and other opportunists will cave in order to keep the Ukrainian membership show on the road, but if she does she risks a tremendous backlash from citizens concerned about what the likes of Hungary and Poland have done to corrode the EU from within. Nobody is going to risk Ukraine behaving similarly in the future. In other words, this push to get the Ukrainians in jeopardises the entire Union if rule of law issues and other logistics are not reformed to prevent the EU from being eaten alive by the cuckoos in the nest.

If Von Der Leyen thinks that's a price worth paying, she'll be in for a rude awakening and any tacit support for Ukrainian membership will quickly dissipate among EU citizens who, in principle, would welcome Ukraine eventually. Eventually, realistically, is probably no sooner than 2035. There is too much internal reform to be completed first and Ukraine, while progressing, is like a third-world state in comparison to the EU average in terms of rule of law, minority rights, corruption, etc. Ukraine and others can benefit from future membership almost immediately (with partial access to the single market, Visas, Erasmus membership, etc., prior to joining in full), but there is no feasible route to earlier membership without massive internal EU reform - which will be long and difficult.

There may be a way to bring in Ukraine and Moldova gradually - but without full voting rights, etc., among other restrictions which gradually lift the closer they get to full membership. If Zelenskyy doesn't accept that, he can go for a jump. While many EU leaders talk the talk on Ukraine, their membership of the EU is a less popular concept among citizens. For example, Germany has to find €60 billion all of a sudden now its financial plans have been ruled unlawful by its constitutional court. At the same time, the defence minister is announcing huge packages of military support while the finance minister is suggesting massive cuts to social welfare to plug the financial black hole and the court ruling may even mean the abolition of the energy supports that citizens and industry have received to cushion the blow of abandoning Russian energy.

In other words, this is not a great time for Dimytro Kuleba or President Zelenskyy to start making unrealistic EU membership demands. Besides, they need NATO membership first. That's, de facto, how the EU defends itself. Ukraine will need to get under that umbrella first or it will always be vulnerable and any EU investment to build it up into a fully-functioning EU society will be too risky to justify.

We've got to sort Orban and co out first. Then, Ukraine has a potential path.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

You're preposterous. You always have been.

Ukraine are losing this war and you wish to prolong it by throwing hundreds of thousands more men onto the bonfire of a lost cause...from behind your keyboard.

I've by losing you mean defeating Russias objectives and forcing them hide behind defensive lines, then you're right.

3 day SMO to take the capital and country.