Current Affairs Ukraine

[tsubaki]

Zelensky's disastrous PR, I stand with Israel' was a blunder of the highest order.

If he won't sue for a negotiated settlement, the people of Ukraine need to get rid of him and his corrupt clique.

TBF if he was to say they were dispatching shiploads of grain to feed Gaza it would be more effective than anything he or the countries backing him could ever do in PR terms.

 

[davek]

What was in they always yelled, ' don't mess with the Marines'. No one fears them, (Little Rocket Man showed complete contempt for Trump), like the Arab world don't fear the IDF. The link between US supported Ukraine and US supported Israeli occupation of Palestine has caused many, many people to rethink their 'support: for Ukraine. Zelensky's disastrous PR, I stand with Israel' was a blunder of the highest order.

If he won't sue for a negotiated settlement, the people of Ukraine need to get rid of him and his corrupt clique.

I completely agree with that. The moral high ground was deserted the moment Zelensky backed the Israeli regime. I sense a hell of a lot of people who backed the Ukrainians have been turned off by that and won't forget it in a hurry. It was a calamitous mistake to make.

 

[davek]

There's been a rule of thumb with this war, what the Ukraine's day about Russian losses wounded, and injured are actually Ukrainian losses, wounded and injured. Same with military equipment when they say Russia losses it's actually Ukraine losses.

The Ministry of defence just look at what the Russian military defence says, then copies it but twist it to show Russia are losing. Before the fall, and surrender of Mariupol, they said the Russians couldn't take the city. The same with Bahkmut. It was drivel.

The problem anyone has with Russians losses is that it's only now that the Russian army are actually in the front line.

Mariupol was taken with Donbass militias with support from Chechens and a small, very small Russian army force. Mostly those stationed around Crimea etc.

Bahkmut was taken by mostly Wagner forces with limited help of the Donbass militias, who were mostly recharging their batteries before they have now entered.

It's now that the Russian military are the dominant force along the long front line. Wagner forces have entered the fray as has the Donbass militias, but not fully same as Wagner.

So any losses in the first phase, Mariupol, were Donbass militias and Chechens. The second phase, Bahkmut, were Wagner, Donbass and small amount of Russian regular soldiers.

Made up numbers for Russian losses are for inspirational propaganda. There's enough western journalists, and pro US people, around Russia to photograph grave. Same in the Donbass, there's enough western journalists there to photo cemeteries. But the huge expanding cemeteries in Ukraine, photographed and reproduced on the internet, is testimony to the collosal Ukraine losses.

The Ukraine propaganda of huge Russian losses is designed to show they are winning. But they're on their last legs around Avdiivka and now Krupyanka. The games up for the corrupt Zelensky, and his corrupt clique, to do the war bidding for the US Empire.

Didn't a lot of elite Russian units suffer big losses in the first few moths of the conflict. I seem to remember news about that.

 

[Wizard]

West centric view of the world, benefits and losses. The cynical nature of the US Empire complete disregard for the people's of another area is beyond contempt. And the less said about the US Empire cheerleaders, egging on the destruction of a once vibrant country, until the US led Maidan coup and their attempt to destroy those in the Donbass i.e fascist annihilation.

As he says, war is good for business on the US. But they are not damaging Russia, economically or militarily, if fact Russia is growing faster economically than the west and is developing a battle harded military.

This is the state of the US military.



What was in they always yelled, ' don't mess with the Marines'. No one fears them, (Little Rocket Man showed complete contempt for Trump), like the Arab world don't fear the IDF. The link between US supported Ukraine and US supported Israeli occupation of Palestine has caused many, many people to rethink their 'support: for Ukraine. Zelensky's disastrous PR, I stand with Israel' was a blunder of the highest order.

If he won't sue for a negotiated settlement, the people of Ukraine need to get rid of him and his corrupt clique.

Quoting Zero Hedge does not do you any favours

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

I completely agree with that. The moral high ground was deserted the moment Zelensky backed the Israeli regime. I sense a hell of a lot of people who backed the Ukrainians have been turned off by that and won't forget it in a hurry. It was a calamitous mistake to make.

You are a vacuous sprog.

A disgrace to EFC.

 

[ramacca]

They've not got much military equipment to send to Ukraine.

 

[ramacca]

Didn't a lot of elite Russian units suffer big losses in the first few moths of the conflict. I seem to remember news about that.

One elite unit lost 39 and a commanding officer around Kiev at the start of the war.

"The heavy losses of an elite Russian regiment in Ukraine - BBC News" https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60946340.amp


Therafter, the losses for these units were then hyped up to claim 900. You can't claim the Russians have a crap army and are crap fighters, unless they suffer 'huge losses'. It's part of the psyops.

 

[Tramps_mate]

Who claims that...

But Zelensky is bang to rights for sure. The Snowden Papers proved that.

He and his wife set up off shore shell companies for his oligarch boss Kolomoisky - who backed his career - to put his cash into.

Fact.

The feller is corrupt. He might impress some people by swanning around the world (is he ever in Ukraine these days, btw) in his daft khaki 'combat' gear but the reality is that he's as bent as a nine bob note.

Putin and Zelensky are as bad as each other.

Eitherway, the war needs to end.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Comrades

 

[Yarrgh]

Putin and Zelensky are as bad as each other.

Eitherway, the war needs to end.

I think it would have been much easier to make that comparison if Russia hadn't invaded and let Zelensky get on with some good old fashioned grafting and corruption without the war.

He'd be gone by now as a novelty act and a pro-Russian government potentially in achieving the same end results Putin wants but without killing hundreds of thousands of people and turning Russia into a pariah.

Anyway, no point considering what could have been. The war does indeed need to end. Russia and Ukraine do not need to lose another life over this.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

All reports indicate Putin is pushing more meeat into the grinder at Avdiivka.

From ISW: Russian forces are funneling additional forces to the Avdiivka front despite ongoing challenges with frontal mechanized assaults and the failure of a renewed push on October 19-20. Several Russian milbloggers claimed that there were no significant changes along the front in the Avdiivka direction on October 22.[1] Russian forces are likely once again pausing following a failed major push which suffered heavy losses.

 

[COYBL25]

I completely agree with that. The moral high ground was deserted the moment Zelensky backed the Israeli regime. I sense a hell of a lot of people who backed the Ukrainians have been turned off by that and won't forget it in a hurry. It was a calamitous mistake to make.

So you`re starting to sense things now ?

Maybe you can add this to your skills with a crystal ball ?

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

ISW findings below. Only a full blown Savile would cheerlead the forcible Russification of kidnapped Ukrainian children.

Key Takeaways ISW October 22, 2023:

• Russian forces are funneling additional forces to the Avdiivka front despite ongoing challenges with frontal mechanized assaults and the failure of a renewed push on October 19-20.
• Ukrainian forces continued counteroffensive operations near Bakhmut and in western Zaporizhia Oblast on October 22.
• Russian forces conducted a series of missile and drone strikes against Ukraine on October 22.
• The nationalist pro-war Russian information space is reckoning with the possibility of a major demographic decline by weaponizing anti-migrant rhetoric.
• A prominent Russian milblogger and frontline commander criticized Russian top-down censorship campaigns.
• Deceased Wagner Group financier Yevgeny Prigozhin's ideological and rhetorical campaign against the Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) has largely become decoupled from the issue of the Wagner Group and appears to have outlived Prigozhin himself.
• Russian forces conducted offensive operations along the Kupyansk-Svatove-Kreminna line, near Bakhmut, along the Avdiivka-Donetsk City line, in the Donetsk-Zaporizhia Oblast border area, and in western Zaporizhia Oblast and advanced in some areas on October 22.
• Russian authorities are intensifying mobilization efforts targeting Central Asian migrant communities.
• Russian occupation authorities continue to use cultural and education programs to forcibly Russify Ukrainian children.

 

[davek]

Putin and Zelensky are as bad as each other.

Eitherway, the war needs to end.

Exactly. Needs to be a peace deal.

I think I read yesterday there's a meeting in Malta this week. That's a chance for Zelensky to use the likes of Turkey to get Russia involved and sell them a deal. Hopefully.

 

[davek]

All reports indicate Putin is pushing more meeat into the grinder at Avdiivka.

From ISW: Russian forces are funneling additional forces to the Avdiivka front despite ongoing challenges with frontal mechanized assaults and the failure of a renewed push on October 19-20. Several Russian milbloggers claimed that there were no significant changes along the front in the Avdiivka direction on October 22.[1] Russian forces are likely once again pausing following a failed major push which suffered heavy losses.

That's always been their trump card: they have more manpower and will use it to win the war.