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Spadge Vernacular
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Better still lid, the sooner the Russian people whack Vlad and his cronies the better for them and the entire civilised world.
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Russia’s Avdiivka offensive is failing, says top Ukrainian officer
Major assault in Donetsk launched on Tuesday said to have resulted in serious losses for Moscow’s forces
jaspercabbage
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Putins puppet suggested that?
Really?
Really?
tsubaki
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Not to say its a serious proposal, and there is very little evidence beyond that tweet that he actually said that, but that is what a sensible peace would look like.
Are we back in 2015?
Outdated proposal from Gerhard. Not acceptable to either Ukraine or Russia.
Outdated proposal from Gerhard. Not acceptable to either Ukraine or Russia.
Three things, how's putin selling a German idea towards peace to a nation he has warned about nazism?
Second, are there not more appropriate current leaders that could set the scene for talks?
Thirdly, it'd probably beneficial to dream up a scenario both sides dismiss instantly because possibly farce might breech the gap for legit ideas to formulate.
It’s a complete non-starter. Russia wants its land-corridor to Crimea and control of the Sea of Azov and therefore would not give up Kherson and Zaporizhia oblasts.
Ukraine wants those Oblasts back and to be part of the EU and NATO to deter future Russian land-grabs at the least.
A positive for Ukraine if polls are accurate
"Gerhard Schröder travels to Moscow to meet Putin in Ukraine peace bid – POLITICO" https://www.politico.eu/article/ger...w-to-meet-putin-in-ukraine-peace-bid-sources/
Msrch 2022
Russia are on the offensive in numerous areas after the Ukraine counter offensive have been put in reverse gear. It would be a good idea to revisit Schroeder's proposal and maybe Kissinger's. A negotiated settlement will enable Ukraine to have a viable state.
Msrch 2022
Russia are on the offensive in numerous areas after the Ukraine counter offensive have been put in reverse gear. It would be a good idea to revisit Schroeder's proposal and maybe Kissinger's. A negotiated settlement will enable Ukraine to have a viable state.
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Well, Gerhard has zero credibility even in Germany. His plan is a little mixed up. The idea that Ukraine would remain without the security blanket of NATO after all this is insane. They'll have to be given membership. The price of that membership would likely be the official loss of Crimea. Unless they can win it back on the battlefield, that's gone. As for Donbass, that's less clear-cut.
I can't see a way that Ukraine ends this war and doesn't join NATO - unless Russia completely withdraws from Donbas and Crimea as the price of that Ukrainian neutrality. And even if they did, wouldn't the Ukrainians still need protecting?
That said, we might be coming to a crunch point where horrible choices will have to be made, because if the Ukrainians cannot win back land on the battlefield, what's the alternative? EU countries will tire of this after this winter. The Americans definitely have - and Trump is on the horizon. They might support one last push next summer, but we're into diminishing returns then surely. However, if tonight's exit polls in Poland are correct, Ukraine - and the EU - might have a lifeline.
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