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[Spadge Vernacular]

So what’s a reasonable figure of amputations vs wounded then in your estimation?

I’ve checked previous conflicts for my estimate

Err, Kev. Your mouth is moving alot like a rat again. Yappa, yappa, yappa. Shut it please. x

 

[Kev The Rat]

No I don’t know it and neither do you - stop chatting wham.

You trawl the internet for headlines and articles to suit your agenda, then you post them on here with your own spin added.

The funny thing is that you don’t even bother to read half the tripe you post on here.

@Spadge Vernacular

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Here is an interesting synthesis of the data that exists on troop losses.

Yappa, yappa, yappa.

Estimating troop losses on both sides in the Russia-Ukraine war

In the wake of the ongoing Russia-Ukraine conflict, Benjamin J. Radford, Yaoyao Dai, Niklas Stoehr, Aaron Schein, Mya Fernandez, and Hanif Sajid have developed a model to better estimate the loss numbers obscured by the fog of war and the biases of somereporting sources

theloop.ecpr.eu

 

[tsubaki]

thats because you refuse to accept how this war is actually being fought

thats up to you, but read this hard core pro ukraine website before making wild claims about whats going on

this is no afghanistan

Scale of amputations in Ukraine reaches WWI level – WSJ

Since the beginning of the Russian military aggression, the number of Ukrainians left without one or more limbs has reached 20-50,000, which is comparable to the scale of amputations during the First World War.

www.pravda.com.ua

I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of medicine and statistics here.

In WW2 and WW1, there were relatively fewer amputees as a % of overall casualties because most of the candidates for amputation would have died, so they’d be counted amongst the dead.

Medical science and improved military medical practice and technology has meant that more people with severe injuries can have the possibility of surviving them. This is meaning there are more people surviving as amputees now than in a perhaps comparable war like WW2/WW1.

 

[Charro]

So what’s a reasonable figure of amputations vs wounded then in your estimation?

I’ve checked previous conflicts for my estimate

Are you ok?

 

[Kev The Rat]

I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of medicine and statistics here.

In WW2 and WW1, there were relatively fewer amputees as a % of overall casualties because most of the candidates for amputation would have died, so they’d be counted amongst the dead.

Medical science and improved military medical practice and technology has meant that more people with severe injuries can have the possibility of surviving them. This is meaning there are more people surviving as amputees now than in a perhaps comparable war like WW2/WW1.

from that website: The outlet, citing estimates by the Houp Foundation charity, notes that 200,000 people were seriously injured during the war, while amputations are frequently necessary in about 10% of major injuries.

Note: 200k serious injuries listed, so my estimation of 500k total wounded isnt out of line with what they are saying

1 in 4 kill/wounded rate is normal in this type of conflict.

I dont believe the total amputations is as low as 25k either.

 

[COYBL25]

from that website: The outlet, citing estimates by the Houp Foundation charity, notes that 200,000 people were seriously injured during the war, while amputations are frequently necessary in about 10% of major injuries.

Note: 200k serious injuries listed, so my estimation of 500k total wounded isnt out of line with what they are saying

1 in 4 kill/wounded rate is normal in this type of conflict.

I dont believe the total amputations is as low as 25k either.

You need to unplug your Call of Duty comrade.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Here is an interesting synthesis of the data that exists on troop losses.

Yappa, yappa, yappa.

Estimating troop losses on both sides in the Russia-Ukraine war

In the wake of the ongoing Russia-Ukraine conflict, Benjamin J. Radford, Yaoyao Dai, Niklas Stoehr, Aaron Schein, Mya Fernandez, and Hanif Sajid have developed a model to better estimate the loss numbers obscured by the fog of war and the biases of somereporting sources

theloop.ecpr.eu

From the findings of the above.

Russian sources report only 0.3 losses. On the contrary, for every Ukrainian soldier killed, Russian sources report 4.3 Ukrainian soldiers killed.

Interestingly, Ukrainian overestimates double Russian soldier deaths. But they tend not to over- or underestimate their own troops’ deaths

Also

Our estimates of losses​

We find that Russian personnel losses have outpaced Ukrainian personnel losses, with expected loss numbers of 76,687 and 17,223 respectively, as of 23 February 2023.

 

[Cecil]

Such esteemed company you keep @Kev The Rat and @davek

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

This is a few months old but indicative of the realities on the ground.

Ukrainian Innovation in a War of Attrition

Russia suffered more combat deaths in Ukraine in the first year of the war than in all of its wars combined since World War II. The average rate of Russian soldiers killed per month in Ukraine is 35 times greater than the number of Soviet soldiers killed in Afghanistan.

www.csis.org

 

[tsubaki]

from that website: The outlet, citing estimates by the Houp Foundation charity, notes that 200,000 people were seriously injured during the war, while amputations are frequently necessary in about 10% of major injuries.

Note: 200k serious injuries listed, so my estimation of 500k total wounded isnt out of line with what they are saying

1 in 4 kill/wounded rate is normal in this type of conflict.

I dont believe the total amputations is as low as 25k either.

So you are quoting their statistics whilst not believing them?

 

[tsubaki]

Such esteemed company you keep @Kev The Rat and @davek

it’s strange how free thinkers have the same views on so many topics

 

[Kev The Rat]

So you are quoting their statistics whilst not believing them?

I believe as the source is Ukrainian its likely to be higher across the board - certainly no lower.

 

[larrygobfiend]

I believe as the source is Ukrainian it’s likely to be higher across the board - certainly no lower.

Wow, what a win for your mate Putin. Misery for thousands of people. Yippee

 

[Rita_Poon]

Wow, what a win for your mate Putin. Misery for thousands of people. Yippee

unbridled glee for a twisted and divisive very small few as well.