Current Affairs Ukraine

[Kev The Rat]

If there was an election he'd win it. That's what polls tell you right now. But I don't think it'd be anywhere near a landslide...which is why they'll be cancelled.

In some ways Dave, he is being held hostage by fringe elements. He himself is incompetent, but the next man would face the same problem. Do some research into it and you will see what I mean.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Must say … as a casual observer from the sidelines…. @davek is taking a good kicking in this thread and being shown up as a bit of a troll

The Ukraine thread is his Ukraine to his hero, Putin.

He might not realise it yet but this is the beginning of his end. It is a shame to see previously notable poster paint himself in Jimmy Savile's colours but here we are.

 

[Cool_Blue]

Live by the sword …………

 

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[PhilM]

Many wartime leaders are.. Churchill was an utter arse but has gone down as one of Britain's greatest.

Horses for courses. The British public knew in '45 that Churchill wasn't a peacetime leader, and correctly voted for Attlee to steer the UK after the war.

But would Attlee have led the nation like Churchill did from May '40? Anyone with a semblance of intelligence would agree that he wouldn't.

It is the same with Zelenskyy. There'll be people on here and elsewhere who'll pick holes to undermine him, but I think history will look back on him favourably.

But it's the same with some much else of this war, where the minority will raise Azov, nationalism and whatever else and shoehorn it into an argument.

Nobody with any sense will deny the Azov battalions' record or whatever else they'll bring up, but they conveniently ignore the major points in the room.

Did Russia annexe Crimea for this reason? No. Did they invade Ukraine for this reason? No. Does it in any way justify the war that Russia brought to the world?

Again, no. Is NATO to blame for the war? No. It's Putin's militaristic aims and insecurities that history will acknowledge as the cause for the needless deaths.

Anyone who says otherwise is a combination of an idiot or a WUM bellend. I don't mind it in the EO, and I don't mind it in the Ale house, but this is life and death.

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

is the correct answer

there is an extremely nasty strain of vicious nationliasm engrained in Ukraine that simply removing a clown will not eliminate.

So, lets murder their women and kids?!?!

 

[tommye]

In some ways Dave, he is being held hostage by fringe elements. He himself is incompetent, but the next man would face the same problem. Do some research into it and you will see what I mean.

Can't you link him up with your Skype buddies?

 

[tommye]

Live by the sword …………

....Die by a big UK bomb crashing through your office

 

[PhilM]

We're yet to know how accurate this is, if it is at all, but it would be sensible to attack the HQ at that time if they knew a meeting was to take place.

But it does raise questions, how would they know if such a meeting was taking place at that time? Also, why was it not in a secure facility (bunker etc.)?

It would be another major lapse in Russia's operating procedures.

 

[peteblue]

I support the Ukrainian people but I think Zelensky is repellent.

In what way. Put yourself in his place, when Russia piled in toward Kyiv did he flee the country and take bags of cash with him, no, he stayed and led his country in defence. Even though he knew Russia would do everything they could to kill him, he steadied the population, visited the troops on the front line and did his best to work with politicians across the West to help his country win. Yes, he can sometimes push a bit harder than some folk would like, but to the West there is no pain, for him and Ukraine it’s life or death and he’s doing his best to keep his troops as well supplied as possible and to keep this War in the public consciousness…..

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

In what way. Put yourself in his place, when Russia piled in toward Kyiv did he flee the country and take bags of cash with him, no, he stayed and led his country in defence. Even though he knew Russia would do everything they could to kill him, he steadied the population, visited the troops on the front line and did his best to work with politicians across the West to help his country win. Yes, he can sometimes push a bit harder than some folk would like, but to the West there is no pain, for him and Ukraine it’s life or death and he’s doing his best to keep his troops as well supplied as possible and to keep this War in the public consciousness…..

Bingo

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

....Die by a big UK bomb crashing through your office

Actually lolled

 

[Haydn]

We're yet to know how accurate this is, if it is at all, but it would be sensible to attack the HQ at that time if they knew a meeting was to take place.

But it does raise questions, how would they know if such a meeting was taking place at that time? Also, why was it not in a secure facility (bunker etc.)?

It would be another major lapse in Russia's operating procedures.

Anyone who phoned in sick on the day and swerved the meeting is going to have a pretty tough interview with HR.

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

In what way. Put yourself in his place, when Russia piled in toward Kyiv did he flee the country and take bags of cash with him, no, he stayed and led his country in defence. Even though he knew Russia would do everything they could to kill him, he steadied the population, visited the troops on the front line and did his best to work with politicians across the West to help his country win. Yes, he can sometimes push a bit harder than some folk would like, but to the West there is no pain, for him and Ukraine it’s life or death and he’s doing his best to keep his troops as well supplied as possible and to keep this War in the public consciousness…..

What is your take on this @davek ?
Don’t come back with your “but he wears combat gear…” fluff