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[davek]

some good info here about the truth behind the grain issue

Gilbert Doctorow

International relations, Russian affairs

gilbertdoctorow.com

Thanks. Interesting read.

 

[davek]

I’m an amazing poster , don’t try and deny it

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

Part of the US Empires escalating trade war against Europe.

Ignores the mass murdering tyrant to post fantasy bollix

Mad skillz

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

That’s definitely part of the plan - destroy Europe’s economies to be subservient to the USA

They’ve done a decent job of that.

That’s one positive outcome the US can point to out of all this.

Yeh, that’s definitely part of the plan, that is exactly why putin invaded Ukraine.
You tool

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

Aw, shucks

 

[davek]

No dates are ever given out.

I've got the date here mate...


....the 12th of Never.


Seriously though - major hardware like that will not be allowed into Ukrainian hands. Washington's objective is to keep the war simmering away not risk it boiling over into a continental conflagration.

 

[dublinbluenose]

I've got the date here mate...


....the 12th of Never.


Seriously though - major hardware like that will not be allowed into Ukrainian hands. Washington's objective is to keep the war simmering away not risk it boiling over into a continental conflagration.

There's not a whole lot of difference in terms of range between ATACMS and Storm Shadows, they're not a major hardware kit, they're missiles due for destruction in the next year or so.

As for F16s, the pilots are being trained. They'd be no use without trained pilots. Its probably another 6 months from seeing them in Ukraine.

My guess on the leak and eventual announcement is to put pressue on Germany to send their Taurus missiles. Same as the Leopards and Abrahms.

 

[verreauxi]

The network map is particularly useful as you can click on each individual and read about them.

Investigation: Where does Russian disinformation incubate in US?

The war in Ukraine is being decided on the battlefields in the south and east of the country. But how it’s discussed in America helps shape those battlefields. Military aid from the West has helped Ukrainian forces turn the tide. Economic aid has allowed the Ukrainian economy to cling to life...

kyivindependent.com

 

[davek]

There's not a whole lot of difference in terms of range between ATACMS and Storm Shadows, they're not a major hardware kit, they're missiles due for destruction in the next year or so.

As for F16s, the pilots are being trained. They'd be no use without trained pilots. Its probably another 6 months from seeing them in Ukraine.

My guess on the leak and eventual announcement is to put pressue on Germany to send their Taurus missiles. Same as the Leopards and Abrahms.

If that's the case why aren't they using them on Russian supply lines behind the front line

 

[Tennessee Blue Mike]

I've got the date here mate...


....the 12th of Never.


Seriously though - major hardware like that will not be allowed into Ukrainian hands. Washington's objective is to keep the war simmering away not risk it boiling over into a continental conflagration.

Dave were you a Donny Osmond fan back in the day. Or were you a long-haired lover from Liverpool?

 

[davek]

Dave were you a Donny Osmond fan back in the day. Or were you a long-haired lover from Liverpool?

lol

 

[dublinbluenose]

If that's the case why aren't they using them on Russian supply lines behind the front line

They do, but could do with a lot more of them.

 

[davek]

They do, but could do with a lot more of them.

Maybe the suppliers have limited their use to targets they ok...

The attack on the Russian Navy HQ today looks like a 'spectacular' to chime in with Zelensky's North American visit.

 

[dublinbluenose]

Maybe the suppliers have limited their use to targets they ok...

The attack on the Russian Navy HQ today looks like a 'spectacular' to chime in with Zelensky's North American visit.

No doubt about that, the line was the US didnt want to give them missiles that they can fire into Crimea so not to provoke a Russian response. There's been UK Storm Shadows and French SCALP missiles raining down on Crimea, I havent seen London or Paris being hit in response.

The reason for the US hesitation is far more likely that Russian (and therefore China) radars will be able to track ATACMS flight paths, even though they are randomised in the last few mins) and potentially workout a defence against them down the line.

 

[davek]

No doubt about that, the line was the US didnt want to give them missiles that they can fire into Crimea so not to provoke a Russian response. There's been UK Storm Shadows and French SCALP missiles raining down on Crimea, I havent seen London or Paris being hit in response.

The reason for the US hesitation is far more likely that Russian (and therefore China) radars will be able to track ATACMS flight paths, even though they are randomised in the last few mins) and potentially workout a defence against them down the line.