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[LinekersLegs]

I’m not saying they are themselves evil or even that they condone evil. What I’m saying is that they choose to they ignore the evil that is taking place at the hands of their military and orchestrated by their politicians.

So long as they can live their lives as before then they couldn’t give a toss.

That indifference and selective ignorance is why imo they are complicit in the crimes being committed in Ukraine.

No idea how widespread but some most definitely do condone evil.


However also important that we in the West see your average Russian as human, and subject to the same flaws/weaknesses, as once you don’t see people as human then you tolerate a whole lot of abuses in revenge.

 

[blulouie]

As pleasing as it is to hear & see these people finally admitting this horror show is all wrong.
Something still tells me never to believe anything they say.

 

[COYBL25]

No idea how widespread but some most definitely do condone evil.


However also important that we in the West see your average Russian as human, and subject to the same flaws/weaknesses, as once you don’t see people as human then you tolerate a whole lot of abuses in revenge.

I think they`ve just interviewed @davek parents there.

 

[BornBlue76]

That was a very interesting watch. With this level of debate now seemingly more mainstream the population must be having some doubts

 

[Rita_Poon]

That was a very interesting watch. With this level of debate now seemingly more mainstream the population must be having some doubts

It's some faith in Michael Fish if they fancy dropping the big stuff just across the border.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

"MEPs WANT TO LIST WAGNER GROUP AS TERROR ORGANIZATION: Cross-party MEPs are calling for the EU to list the Wagner Group as a terrorist organization. The private mercenary militia, led by close Putin-ally Yevgeny Prigozhin, has been involved in conflicts from Ukraine to Syria, Sudan, Mozambique and the Central African Republic, among others.

Broad support: The MEPs (representing the full spectrum of Parliament’s groups, from the far-right ID to The Left, Renew, the EPP, the S&D and the Greens) sent a letter, dated November 11, to European Council President Charles Michel and Czech PM Petr Fiala, whose country holds the rotating Council presidency. Citing “ongoing violations of international law in Ukraine” by Wagner and “their previous exploits in other conflicts,” the MEPs say the group should be designated a terrorist organization."

Letter:

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[peteblue]

"MEPs WANT TO LIST WAGNER GROUP AS TERROR ORGANIZATION: Cross-party MEPs are calling for the EU to list the Wagner Group as a terrorist organization. The private mercenary militia, led by close Putin-ally Yevgeny Prigozhin, has been involved in conflicts from Ukraine to Syria, Sudan, Mozambique and the Central African Republic, among others.

Broad support: The MEPs (representing the full spectrum of Parliament’s groups, from the far-right ID to The Left, Renew, the EPP, the S&D and the Greens) sent a letter, dated November 11, to European Council President Charles Michel and Czech PM Petr Fiala, whose country holds the rotating Council presidency. Citing “ongoing violations of international law in Ukraine” by Wagner and “their previous exploits in other conflicts,” the MEPs say the group should be designated a terrorist organization."

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Private Armies in this day and age. Even the East India Company disappeared 150 years ago…..

 

[PhilM]

Private Armies in this day and age. Even the East India Company disappeared 150 years ago…..

It ain't a private army. It's a paramilitary organisation that is under the authority of Putin and Co., but is conveniently separate from the military and the Duma.

It's Russia's shadow army, not too dissimilar to how Blackwater was a quasi-state controlled organisation, which was conveniently separate from...

 

[peteblue]

It ain't a private army. It's a paramilitary organisation that is under the authority of Putin and Co., but is separate from the military and the Duma.

It's Russia's shadow army, not too dissimilar how Blackwater was a quasi-state controlled organisation.

So who is responsible for whatever it does…..

 

[PhilM]

So who is responsible for whatever it does…..

I've just edited my original post, and it may help answer that. As I said, it is 'conveniently separate from the military and the Duma', which adds protection.

The Duma and the military will say they're not responsible; in fact, such an organisation is forbidden in Russia, as PMCs are not allowed under legislation.

So they (and alas, Russia) are able to proclaim it ain't anything to do with them, therefore operating outside the law and any form of jurisdiction of the courts.

But, in reality they are turning a blind eye to the fact that they openly recruit within Russia, are being financed from within and use surplus military hardware.

They do the state's (well, their leader's) dirty work, and in part receive support from the likes of the FSB and GRU (miliary intelligence).

Ultimately, Putin and co. are responsible, but that isn't going to stick unless there's some form of regime change.

 

[peteblue]

I've just edited my original post, and it may help answer that. As I said, it is 'conveniently separate from the military and the Duma', which adds protection.

The Duma and the military will say they're not responsible; in fact, such an organisation is forbidden in Russia, as PMCs are not allowed under legislation.

So they (and alas, Russia) are able to proclaim it ain't anything to do with them, therefore operating outside the law and any form of jurisdiction of the courts.

But, in reality they are turning a blind eye to the fact that they openly recruit within Russia, are being financed from within and use surplus military hardware.

They do the state's (well, their leader's) dirty work, and in part receive support from the likes of the FSB and GRU (miliary intelligence).

Ultimately, Putin and co. are responsible, but that isn't going to stick unless there's some form of regime change.

Recruiting from Prisons is not a blind eye. It’s official government endorsement…..

 

[PhilM]

Recruiting from Prisons is not a blind eye. It’s official government endorsement…..

You’re right, bar the official part in the truest sense. Let’s not beat around the bush - it’s a paramilitary organisation and tool of the Russia hierarchy.

However, it works outside of the main governmental apparatus, and answer personally to a few.

 

[peteblue]

You’re right, bar the official part in the truest sense. Let’s not beat around the bush - it’s a paramilitary organisation and tool of the Russia hierarchy.

However, it works outside of the main governmental apparatus, and answer personally to a few.

I’d like to see it destroyed wherever it is operating. The West should put out its own far larger private army to take it on wherever it is operating. Nothing to do with us of course, because it’s a private army outside of our control……

 

[LinekersLegs]

Horrendous

 

[Yarrgh]

Just reading that 50% of Moldova is without power. As is the whole of the city of Lviv.

Given it's now time for winter, it's going to be very devastating for the area. The Russian plan of pushing refugees into the EU is quite diabolical and we'll soon see if it is effective.